Intelligent Design in Universities

Since you're from the UK you may not be aware of the "School of the Americas" (closed in 2001 IIRC but immediately another one was started that's located in the same buildings at Ft. Benning, GA).Google "School of the Americas" for some interesting reading.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I look on a table and find three groupings of US quarters.One group is "H H H H H H H H H H", all heads.The second group is "H T H H H T H T T H".The third group is "H T T H T H H H T H".Which has more information?Why?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I did not ask that question.I asked "Which group contains the greatest amount of information and why?"

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Is order important or not?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Is the order of the coins important in determining the amount of information in each group of coins?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You still are avoiding answering the question. We're trying to learn from you if there is any basis to even consider ID.Does group 1 contain more information than group 2?Why?Does the amount of information depend on the order of the coins?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You seem to totally misunderstand science.you say: You claim that ID can be observed, that there is information in the piles of coins and that math can be used to determine that information content and Design.I simply want to know where the evidence leads us. I have no predtermined results.Now please tell me when I observe three groups of quarters,

1. H H H H H H H H H H
2. H T T T H H T H T H
3. H T H T H H T T T H
   

which pile has the most information and why?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Still waiting for an answer to the questions asked in Message 178

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You can answer one thing for me.Is it a valid question and do we need to know the answer before we can identify design versus non-design?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Very, very good.Thank you.Now suppose there was a fourth group.H T H T H T H T H T.Does it have more information than either 2 or 3?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So to answer the question one must first know the answer one is looking for.Thank you.I believe you have done a great job of explaining ID.Design is were you first decide design is.Clear, short, concise.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, it looks like I've been written out of the conversation as unworthy.But can I ask you a question anyway?Based on what you've outlined would it be possible to make a statement that the information content of a series of yes-no or on-off or binary incidents is inversely proportional to the amount of order and directly proportional to the amount of disorder?Does information content increase as order decreases and disorder increases?Can all of the examples of coin flips etc be reduced to that?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The next thing I wonder, based on all of the Creationist and Idists attempts to use the 2^nd. Law of Thermodynamics and Entropy as some criteria, if the results you find are true, is it possible to apply them to biology with any hope of achieving understanding?It looks like the results say that as disorder increases, information increases.What could be used to bridge the gap between absolute information content and information that can be used?As you can see, I'm struggling to try to come up with a working definition of information that might apply to their examples.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

For ID to be true we need to be able to look at the groups of coins and say "That group is the result of design". For that to have meaning, would we not also have to be able to say "The information in that group means (does, is, will) XYZ.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So often what I find is not just bad Science, but even worse Theology.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion