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Author Topic:   What was God’s plan behind Creation and why does he need one?
Drosophilla
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Message 135 of 174 (545149)
02-01-2010 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by 3DSOC
02-01-2010 5:08 PM


Re: God's purpose & why the rules
Hi 3DSOC
In 100 generations, species A will have sight.
In 100 generation, species B will be twice as strong.
At generation 50, species A will not have sight while species B in 50% stronger.
If species A and B are vying for the same food/shelter/territory, wouldn't 'natural selection' favor species B at generation 50?
You are employing the GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out) principle here. You have just plucked random figures out of the air and assume you can make them sing and dance for you (sorry science doesn't work that way!).
For example why will it take 100 generations to be twice as strong? Have you followed the gene sequences relating to muscular protein accumulation? Can you say it will take 100 generations? Have you followed optical evolution? Any fool can pluck numbers out of the air like that.
In reality the environment shapes the progress of random mutations, and the environment is also subject to change. It is simply not possible to come up with silly numbers like this and expect a sensible outcome.
"If Jane and John sit beside this freeway leading out of LA and count the cars (John counts red ones, Jane counts blue ones) won't John count twice as many as Jane cos I heard red is a cool colour in LA?
See what happens if you employ GIGO?
Welcome to EVC by the way.

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Drosophilla
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Message 155 of 174 (545209)
02-02-2010 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by 3DSOC
02-02-2010 12:33 AM


Re: God's purpose & why the rules
Hi 3DSOC
It seems to me that a species would devote a lot of energy over a multitude of generations to develop organs capable of detecting light - while competing species may be growing larger over the same period of time. This seems to place the first species at a disadvantage to the second and would therefore be at risk of extinction.
You seem to think that evolution involves creatures 'thinking' about what new adaptations they need and then growing them using the requisite energy.
However, evolution is very far from this. There is no thought and no direction. Random mutations (which happens all the time in all organisms) are selected by the environment (it's not even the environment 'thinking' either) for good effects that enhance the animals chance of getting to reproduction age - that's all that matters in evolution - will the animal reproduce and pass on its genes or not.
Example; The ancestor of the giraffe with necks more like that of other grazing herbivores would have raised their heads to chew on leaves of shrubs and small trees such as acacias. If a mutation occurred that gives an animal a slightly longer neck then that animal can reach leaves others can't - that's the environmental advantage that allows it to get to adulthood where others may starve. The environment favours the adaptation and no planning is involved. In this way successive mutations build and the neck increases over time to what we have today.
Why aren't giraffe necks 200 feet tall then to get the tops of the trees? I'm sure you can work this one out. Adaptations come at physiological costs - a neck that tall couldn't be supported by the rest of the body and would lead to predators taking them easier.
You also appear to have a fixation on 'stronger/bigger' for some reason. Do you know which life-form has been around the longest? Bacteria.
Which constitute the greatest number on the planet today? Bacteria - by several orders of magnitude.
Which life-form can adapt fastest to adverse changes in environment and so survive to a high degree? Bacteria.
On a multi-cellular life basis the insects are far far more successful than any other animal and certainly more so than others many times their size.
Size and strength are very poor indicators of biological success and evolutionary adaptation.
I strongly recommend that you read some biology text books before carrying on with this subject.....a good one would be Richard Dawkins "Climbing Mount Improbable" where Dawkins introduces the reader to how adaptations build and why Darwin's theory holds so much power.

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