Just had a read through Rahvins post.
Excellent. This is a good example of what was being talked about on the "Honest Debate: how do you read?" ([mid=5541443] 1) thread. i.e. you are making an excellent effort to understand and find some common ground. Unfortunatly ICANT's responses seem to also be a good example of what I said in the "Honest Debate" thread:
That is that we might find ourselves arguing against something simply because that person is on the other side of the debate rather than taking the time to understand a person's position and then recognising that we have some common ground.
I don't if ICANT is going to be much more help, but I would recommend that you have a look through what me and slevesque say in the
What is a "kind"? thread. Hope that helps