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hooah212002
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Message 3 of 79 (542280)
01-08-2010 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Straggler
01-08-2010 3:20 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
Americans write the way they speak because either
a) they are too lazy to spell properly
b) they don't KNOW how to spell properly
c) they think they are cool if they spell using "1337 sp33k", conversely, they may perceive only nerds to know proper grammar.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 5 of 79 (542284)
01-08-2010 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Straggler
01-08-2010 3:56 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
In that sense, I agree. Whenever I "talk all fancy like", my old lady calls me snobby.
It may be due to media. Our media generally uses language for dummies. When I listen to BBC radio, I hear proper grammar. I don't know how many times I have mentally corrected simple grammar whilst watching TV or listening to American radio. When i listen to the BBC, I only notice having to do it when they interview......Americans.
So I would venture to guess that you guys hear and see proper language more than we do.
Edited by hooah212002, : don't mind my shift key
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 7 of 79 (542290)
01-08-2010 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Straggler
01-08-2010 4:21 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
Would you say that there is an anti-intellectualism in the US that precludes writing in the most articulate manner possible?
YES..
YES..
FUCK YES. Look how Obama was chastised for articulating and pronouncing nuclear, Iraq etc.. The media hounds him to this day because he annunciates. I know you are talking about writing, but this is the attitude and it is reflected in "our" written word. Wasn't it an American who wanted to re-write the dictionary so all words were written as they sounded?
Schools are barely getting children by. I learned better writing skills AFTER high school than while IN high school (no college). It is a daily occurence, like I said, to read something, or hear a program that has either horrible spelling or atrocious grammar.
I would also say that most American's vocabulary is pretty slim, so using eloquent words when writing blows right past your audience.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Message 9 of 79 (542298)
01-08-2010 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Briterican
01-08-2010 5:04 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
Language evolves.
I agree. As it should. however, ours is de-volving. Improper spelling is not an advancement.
Here, let me quote something I just read at an Overclocking forum I frequent. Tell me if this doesn't chap your ass.
Is like..AMD "ok"?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So I've been reading the news lately and trying to keep up with processors and stuff.
I also read that intel has already released their 32nm core i3s, and they are apparently pretty decent.
so what does AMD have 32nm thats coming out?
Im just worried about their future I guess, I dont want them to like go out of buisness .
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Message 12 of 79 (542301)
01-08-2010 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Briterican
01-08-2010 5:27 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
I think the British have a better grasp on the nuances of individual words, and when one is better suited to express your thoughts than another very similar choice.
Exactly. English is a very precise language (at least it can be, in the right hands). There is no excuse for one to not be able to express his/herself in the manner in which they intend.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Message 25 of 79 (542321)
01-08-2010 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Parasomnium
01-08-2010 6:25 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
There's another can of worms: inches and centimetres...
Metric is more precise. It's time for the U.S. to get on board with the rest of the world.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Message 54 of 79 (542974)
01-14-2010 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
01-14-2010 6:09 AM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
I find that most Americans I communicate with or hear on TV sound better educated and use better grammer than the average British person I encounter, though they may not be representative of the average American.
Good. That means you don't watch Fox news. Most of the other mainline media sources DO appear to be educated, just not Fox.
I rarely if ever hear Americans making that error - do they?
Yes.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Message 78 of 79 (565745)
06-20-2010 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Hyroglyphx
06-18-2010 11:42 AM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
Since when does the media hound him for actually pronouncing words properly?
It was a while ago, but during the presidential debate, he got goaded for the way he pronounced Iraq and Pakistan. Also, there's this: http://www.rolandsmartin.com/blog/?29tBEjcp (I'm not interested in the topic enough right now to search for the orignal article)

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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