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Message 5 of 158 (542499)
01-10-2010 10:57 AM


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Thread copied here from the Transitional Fossils Show Evolution in Process thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 66 of 158 (544982)
01-30-2010 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Kaichos Man
01-29-2010 10:30 PM


Re: The Variety of Ecophenotypes or the Diversity of Morphospecies
Hi Kaichos Man,

I have many times requested that you provide links for your quotes, so from now on each time you post a quote without a link (or a reference if it's not on the web) I will suspend you for 24 hours. Because this is an objective criteria I will continue as a participant in the discussion.


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Message 71 of 158 (545041)
01-31-2010 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Kaichos Man
01-30-2010 8:23 PM


Re: The Variety of Ecophenotypes or the Diversity of Morphospecies
Hi Kaichos Man,

We do enforce the Forum Guidelines here irregardless of whether one is a creationist, an evolutionist, or somewhere on the fence. This is a science debate site, probably the only site on the web presenting creationists an opportunity to make their case that creationism and/or ID is science in a neutrally moderated environment. You should take advantage of the opportunity.

Being neutral requires that Forum Guidelines violations be enforced equally. The Forum Guidelines state:

  1. Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source.

When I reply to you, the first ten minutes are usually spent poking around the web trying to find where your quotes came from. This not only isn't fair to others, it isn't always possible to find the source. All you're being asked to do is provide references for the sources you extract quotes from, something everyone else in this thread is already doing, and that some of those who reply to you are doing for you.

You might take a peek at Message 70. Dr Adequate has been requested many times to refrain from calling people liars, and that post gained him a 24-hour suspension. That's the way neutral enforcement of the Forum Guidelines works.

This site is your chance to successfully make your case in a fair fight. There's nothing partisan about requesting participants to reference their sources, and you send the wrong message when you run away in the face of this very reasonable request.


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Message 77 of 158 (545204)
02-02-2010 8:28 AM
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02-02-2010 5:10 AM


Re: The Variety of Ecophenotypes or the Diversity of Morphospecies
Kaichos Man writes:

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This indicates a high morphological plasticity of Uvigerina species, which should be taken into consideration when using this genus as a proxy in paleoecological reconstructions.
M. Schweizer, J. Pawlowski, I.A.P. Duijnsteea, T.J. Kouwenhovena and G.J. van der Zwaana, 2005

The above is from my penultimate post. You will see that it is clearly referenced, in line with forum guideline 7:

7. Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source.

And where's the citation for the first quote in Message 64?

Percy, if it takes you ten minutes to google M. Schweizer, J. Pawlowski, I.A.P. Duijnsteea, T.J. Kouwenhovena and G.J. van der Zwaana, 2005and find the appropriate text...

Maybe a few minutes for that one, and a few minutes for the next, and a few more minutes for the next, and some take longer than a few minutes.

But for the particular Google you suggest, when you cut-n-paste "M. Schweizer, J. Pawlowski, I.A.P. Duijnsteea, T.J. Kouwenhovena and G.J. van der Zwaana, 2005" into Google Scholar it finds no pages. So now you have to edit it. First you try adding spaces after the periods (still nothing), then if that doesn't work you remove the initials and punctuation and just leave the last names (still nothing), so then you remove the year (still nothing). Google suggests an alternative spelling for two of the names, but this returns more than a page of results. Which ones to look at first? So you have to carefully read the titles and make best guesses.

It's easy to spend ten minutes looking up a citation like that.

You're obviously cutting-n-pasting from webpages. Presumably you have two browser windows or tabs open, one for your message in EvC Forum, the other for the webpage you're cutting-n-pasting from. Go to the address box of the page with the quote, click (it will select the entire URL), hit Ctrl-C, position the cursor at the appropriate place in your message box and click, hit Ctrl-V. Takes 10 seconds at most.

Please. As a courtesy to everyone else, if you cut-n-paste something, provide a link to the webpage it came from.

Edited by Admin, : Minor clarification.


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