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Message 96 of 759 (573255)
08-10-2010 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Hyroglyphx
08-10-2010 3:09 PM


They don't get to dictate the affairs of secular society, and we shouldn't dictate their affairs.

But they are the only group who is actively opposing homosexual marriage. They are trying to dictate secular affairs.


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Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
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Message 110 of 759 (573425)
08-11-2010 11:36 AM
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08-10-2010 3:26 PM


Only protests, though? There are plenty of religious politicians, judges, people in positions of sway, etc. who are fighting this as well through various legal means. Said individuals also have the financial support of churches.

If it were only through protests, it wouldn't be an issue because democracy would reign supreme.....at least one would certainly hope.


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Message 113 of 759 (573460)
08-11-2010 1:30 PM
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08-11-2010 1:01 PM


Lobbying and supporting people financially who agree with your ideologies are not illegal, neither is protesting.

Who said anything about the legality of it?

And as Jar has stated, it goes both ways.

I never said it did not.

It seems you're willing to overlook all the protesting, lobbying, and financial support for things that you personally favor.

I've made no statements about what I favor, now have I? So how would you know?

from Message 96

quote:
They don't get to dictate the affairs of secular society, and we shouldn't dictate their affairs.

hooah212002 writes:

But they are the only group who is actively opposing homosexual marriage. They are trying to dictate secular affairs.

That was my initial point. Nothing more, nothing less. There really is no reverse situation since there is no proposition to deny anyone religious freedoms (unless you include the christian opposition to the Mosque at ground zero....which of course would do nothing to my point).


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Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
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Message 117 of 759 (573474)
08-11-2010 2:16 PM
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08-11-2010 2:07 PM


What else were you alluding to, if not the legality of it?

I meant that I never said any of the actions I mentioned were illegal. I never said that contributing funds or protesting or anything we've discussed is illegal. YOU said all they do is protest. I said they do more than just protest. That is ALL I was getting at. Now you've went and made a big hullaballoo about it all.

The question is one of legality.

Who was I responding to: you? or the person you were responding to? Did I say protesting was illegal? Or did I simply say that they did more than protest? Stop making something more out of what I am saying.


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A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
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Message 120 of 759 (573864)
08-12-2010 10:15 PM
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08-12-2010 9:43 PM


Re: Appeal or not?
I just read that marriages will be allowed at 5pm, Aug 18th.


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A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
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Message 132 of 759 (576887)
08-26-2010 9:47 AM
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08-26-2010 9:20 AM


Re: I lost respect for latino and black communities
Predominantly black and latino counties in California are fighting to keep prop 8.

I don't mean to sterotype, but aren't those communities also largely religious as well?


Your god believes in Unicorns
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Message 183 of 759 (638846)
10-26-2011 2:26 PM
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10-26-2011 1:34 PM


Re: Lesbian couple treating son's hormones
I am curious as to what the importance of pointing out that the parents are gay is..... If it was a single mother, would THAT be pointed out? that is: if you think this child is doing this because they think he doesn't have the necessary "positive male role model" in his life.

Aside from that, this is fucking wrong on so many levels. 11 year old kids have zero clue what they want. The kid would probably get injections to have you change him into Optimus Prime or a T-Rex if you told him you could.


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Message 187 of 759 (638852)
10-26-2011 3:05 PM
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10-26-2011 2:46 PM


Re: Lesbian couple treating son's hormones
Oh, I would've went the other way with it: that the mother's have influenced him into this.

Pretty big insinuation, don't you think?

This does look like that.

I disagree. I also don't dignify the actions or thoughts of the anti-gays by delving into their realm. Letting the child become a female does not equate recruitment since not all women are gay.

do you think the mother's could have had a major influence on this?

Nope. I think the parents are (IMO) "letting him express himself".

At 3 years old, you're pretty much just copying stuff from your parents, don't you think?

When my son was 2, his uncle dressed him up as a ballerina and had him prance around saying what a pretty princess he was. He doesn't wish to be a female, nor does he identify as one. Perhaps the young man in question genuinely identifies as being a female and just so happens to have gay parents and the fact that they are lesbians makes this story newsworthy.


"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 192 of 759 (638863)
10-26-2011 3:30 PM
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10-26-2011 3:25 PM


Re: Lesbian couple treating son's hormones
Oh, I dunno, a couple of lesbians raising a boy to want to be a girl would look bad to me. Bad enough to warrant somebody delving into their realm.

Why does it look bad to you? What does their sexual orientation have to do with it? Also, by "delve into their realm", I meant that I do not dignify the thoughts or actions of anti-gay bigots by pretending to know their thought process.

Why not?

Because I don't know this family and I try not to be presumptuous. I highly doubt this would be as big of an issue if it were a single mother who had an older daughter and this little boy wanted to be a girl too.


"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Message 195 of 759 (638868)
10-26-2011 3:44 PM
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10-26-2011 3:39 PM


Re: Lesbian couple treating son's hormones
Oh, I dunno, a couple of lesbians raising a boy to want to be a girl would look bad to me.

But adding in that its two lesbians with a boy who wants to be a girl makes it more fishy to me.

quote:
What does their sexual orientation have to do with it?

Not a whole lot.

You sure? Maybe you could tell me what it has at all to do with it?

Hmm, you said you didn't think it could be the parents influencing him... but that requires presumptions just as well.

Not presuming something is a presumption in itself???


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Message 200 of 759 (638900)
10-26-2011 7:42 PM
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10-26-2011 7:19 PM


Re: Lesbian couple treating son's hormones
I'll admit to having some initial concerns, some of which were because of the couple being lesbians. It isn't all that unusual for children to express some early confusion regarding their gender, and to have that confusion resolved with help in part from a male role model in the house.

What if it was a single mother who lived at home with her mother (the childs grandmother) and the grandfather has since deceased. Would you have the same initial concern? I guess I cannot see what rational reason there is that sexual orientation comes into play with reasonable people.


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Message 252 of 759 (652513)
02-14-2012 10:39 AM
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02-14-2012 8:20 AM


A: This has to be either a poor attempt at you playing some sort of Devils Advocate or you're trolling. You've always seemed at least somewhat open-minded.

B: Whos gives a shit if there are people that hate gay people? There's still quite a large portion of society that hates niggers too. Should they not be allowed to marry?

C: It's not "liberal commies" who say there is a silent majority of kind hearted christians (the liberal/moderate christians, I assume. Correct me if my assumption is off). The people who say that are the ......DING DING DING! Liberal/moderate christians who ARE silent and don't like being lumped in with the likes of The WBC, Jim Jones, Buzsaw etc..


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Message 316 of 759 (654112)
02-26-2012 10:43 PM
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02-26-2012 8:54 PM


Re: I don't want you voting on my rights either.
and women's suffrage

Oh right. I forgot about the republican primary that is championing for women's freedom.


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Message 325 of 759 (661652)
05-08-2012 11:51 PM
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05-08-2012 11:17 PM


Re: North Carolina Amendment 1
Just because NC has "north" in it's title is not indicative of it's location in the US: it's still a southern state. I think it's clear that most, if not all, southern states are at a minimum a decade behind the remainder of the world as far as way of life and forward thinking is concerned. So, "society" very well could be progressing, but the south still has to catch up, like always.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 331 of 759 (661764)
05-09-2012 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 328 by NoNukes
05-09-2012 6:12 PM


Re: North Carolina Amendment 1
I don't feel any particular need to defend them, but Southern states have no monopoly on being backwards. According to wikipedia, 31 states ban same sex marriage by amendment to their constitution.

If the only criterion for being labeled as backwards was a constitutional amendment against homosexual unions, I wouldn't have said what I did. The difference here is that NC already had one and they felt necessary to add yet another. My comment toward taz was simply saying not to judge an entire movements stance on one southern state. Take a number of other factors into consideration. For example: which states, statistically, teach abstinence only? Which states, statistically, have introduced legislation to shoehorn religion into public education? Maybe I don't see the Connecticuts or Marylands or New Yorks or Californias doing it because I am biased. Maybe I only see the Tennesees, the Alabamas, the Mississippis, the Kansas's and the Kentucky's doing it because I am biased.

It isn't shocking to say that the south is full of rednecks, regression and ignorance. And I do say that with a bias. With that said, I do realize that, yes, there are progressive parts of the south (Austin and Dallas spring to mind).


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