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Author Topic:   Landmark gay marriage trial starts today in California
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Message 59 of 759 (572404)
08-05-2010 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Hyroglyphx
08-05-2010 2:44 PM

...you are licensed through the state.

This is not the case, no one is formally 'licensed' to perform weddings. Ordained ministers and other religious leaders are allowed to sign the marriage certificate and have it be valid. If asked, they have to show that they are indeed a minister, that's all. Here in Florida, Notary Publics may also solemnize the marriage by signing as can clerk of courts and Judges. Not one of these is licensed by the state but some are state employees. Only state employees could not refuse to marry someone due to them being gay.

From a clerk of court website in Florida

Who may perform marriage ceremonies?

A regularly ordained minister or other ordained clergy;

Elders in communion with some church;

All judicial officers (judges) of the State of Florida;

Clerks of Circuit Court and their deputies of the State of Florida; and

Notaries Public of the State of Florida.

In addition, the law provides that marriages may be performed among "Quakers" or "Friends," in the manner and form used or practiced in their societies.

Note: Boat Captains are not authorized to perform marriage ceremonies in the State of Florida unless they are otherwise qualified as provided above. Marriage ceremonies must take place within Florida’s boundaries (within 3 geographical miles of the coastline).

Who is a "regularly ordained minister"?
He/she is a minister who has been recognized in the manner required by the regulations of the respective denomination to perform marriage ceremonies.

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Message 84 of 759 (573184)
08-10-2010 10:14 AM

More homophobic Republicans!
Down her in Florida, we had an amendment 2 which like Prop 8 in CA, banned gay marriages. Gays are also not allowed to adopt children but strangely enough they are allowed to be foster parents, at least for now. The two Republican canidates for Governor are now against even that and one, McCollum is calling for a ban on it!

I hope we can get a strong Democratic or independent canidate to keep Florida from sliding further into the past!

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Message 108 of 759 (573420)
08-11-2010 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by onifre
08-10-2010 5:03 PM

Because the pastor went to the state and asked for a license to marry, which means, they should now adhere to the laws of the state.

Oni, only this isn't true. States don't license people to perform marriages, it automatically recognises certain people to perform them. Here in Florida, notorary publics, clerk of courts, judges and any certified religious leader (ie pastor, rabbi, etc) can perform marriages. There is no license to perform marriages.

Now all civil servants should not discriminate, but if a church doesn't want to marry someone for religious reasons, however bigoted, then that's their right. It's one of the reasons I'm not a religious person is that most religions seem to be more about hating other groups of people than truely helping all people.

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