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Tempe 12ft Chicken
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Message 624 of 759 (703097)
07-15-2013 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 620 by Faith
07-14-2013 6:30 PM


Re: Attempt went far afield...
Faith writes:
Where did you actually prove that the argument is not based on history?
So, you are defending polygamous relationships? Because they fit neatly within the historical definition of marriage. This is my point, you are removing portions of history and then claiming that you are arguing for a definition of marriage based solely on history. Sorry, it does not work that way. If you want to claim historical arguments against allowing same sex couples to be wed, then you also need to defend the historical definition of marriage as it has been practiced, all throughout history.
As for the few same sex marriages that have occurred, this was a discussion with someone else. My argument is that you claim history so it appears that you have an argument based on secular reasoning against same sex marriage. However, when history is shown to favor multiple wives you fall back on your religious arguments against homosexuality. This shows that your entire premise is predicated upon by your religious views and therefore your opinion should be invalid when discussing legislation, which is required to remove religious reasoning from the discussion.
You have no good historical argument against same sex marriage without defending polygamy at the same time. Those of us who are looking at history see that there has been a constant redefinition of the word marriage throughout history, and allowing same sex couples the same freedoms as everyone else is simply another redefinition. More importantly, it is a redefinition that removes bigotry from our society and allows homosexual couples to no longer be treated as second class citizens who are not allowed to be with the one they love.
So, please one more time....How on Earth is your argument against same sex marriage based on the historical view of marriage that has occurred throughout history rather than the Iron Age text you bought into way too much?

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