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Author Topic:   Where did the matter and energy come from?
xXGEARXx
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Message 169 of 357 (550186)
03-13-2010 12:47 PM


huh??
This is where I really get lost. I completely do not understand where it all ends. I totally get how the big bang could have happened. Possibly one superforce, then they split apart, etc. I know, I know, I am really dumding it down. The real issue I have is grasping what starts it all. If indeed there are Branes that touch and make big bangs, that would conclude parallel universes. Ok fine, but where does it end? Where is the generator that creates the branes?
This is the problem religion runs into, which by the way, I am agnostic for whatever it is worth. Religion says there is a God or Gods. This "entity" has just simply existed. Well, ok, I guess maybe?? Problem there lies in the fact no such being has been seen or found in the universe. Ever. Science dictates for something to be correct it has to be observed and measured. Other than that a theroy is then created-based on facts. At least the core facts anyway. Even M theory is based on factual mathmatics. This is another reason why religion fails. How can you mathmatically prove the stories in the bible or koran for instance? You can't.
So all of that being said. Is it really that there is never a "beginning"? Just simply deeper and deeper mysteries? Strings and branes and such? If that is the case then infinity and
particles are reality. Non living materials are immortal and we just happen (life that is) to be a by product, an accident if you will. Heck, maybe that is the real answer. Non living created the living. Always would have?
I would love to hear what some of you think about this. I just can't wrap my brain around where it all starts-if it even does.
By the way, Islam teaches that Allah's throne is larger than the entire universe. That is one big throne, lol?
One other point that I would like to make about a supreme being. It is POSSIBLE that life was created in another universe. One with different rules than our own universe, of course. A being of energy that developed intelligence by accident, evolved if you will. That being learned how to manipulate space time, energy, etc. Even down to the quantum level. This being could pass from universe to universe and do whatever it liked. To all of us, that being would be God-or some version of that. I am not convinced that this even happened, but consider this. M theory involves an infinite number of universes. That would also mean infinite possiblities... who knows where it ends. I feel honored to even have been born with a brain that allows me to be self aware and can grasp how much more there is beyond us.

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xXGEARXx
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Message 171 of 357 (550200)
03-13-2010 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by onifre
03-13-2010 1:18 PM


Re: huh??
Crap, it has been so long I can't remember how to makes quotes. [q] is that it??
If everything is a change from another form, then OTHER forms are infinite and never begin. Hard concept to grasp-at least for me.

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xXGEARXx
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Message 173 of 357 (550219)
03-13-2010 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by onifre
03-13-2010 2:03 PM


Re: huh??
Absolutely true. It is a hard concept to grasp, but I think its the same for all of us. We experience time, so it's only natural to feel as thou things should begin and end. But this is only true for our macro, and more specifically, local world. Not so in quantum mechanics where there is no concept of time, beginning or end.
Now I can quote. I feel empowered...ha!
That makes a lot of sense to me. I have often wondered that same thing. Since we humans are bound by time, it matters to us. Then the answer could simply be-reality is timelessness and we just happen to have developed with time as our boundary. Our subsystems-IE quantum world, would know nothing of the sort because it revolves in a natural state of different rules.
I still say there could be a creator of sorts, even life after death. That may not invlove any of the known religions either. It may simply be something all to its own. Then again, it may be nothing-just simple death. I can't remember the past 13 billion years before my birth, can you? Therefore, if I cease to exist now, I don't think the wait until my particles reassemble into something else will matter much.
We all come from startdust anyway.
I was certainly crushed beyond belief when I lost my faith. Now I just realize that I am a part of the universe-now and later. At least I know that my energy will be released at death into something else. That is better than feeling utter dread from this life to possible utter nothingness.
As dumb as it may sound to some of you, that thought helped me to get over the blow of faithlessness. A version of that anyway....
I did learn to enjoy my life more now. Maybe that is the real lesson to be learned.

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