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Iblis
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Message 16 of 68 (542950)
01-14-2010 2:13 AM


the real deal
When I first heard about this story, I assumed he was talking about the loa from some sort of flatheaded but not entirely uninformed viewpoint. But of course I was giving him much too much credit. The best he can come up with is Napoleonic-era Catholic propaganda.
PAT ROBERTSON: And, you know, Kristi, something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, "We will serve you if you will get us free from the French." True story. And so, the devil said, "OK, it's a deal."
And they kicked the French out. You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after the other. Desperately poor. That island of Hispaniola is one island. It's cut down the middle. On the one side is Haiti; on the other side is the Dominican Republic. Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, et cetera. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island. They need to have and we need to pray for them a great turning to God. And out of this tragedy, I'm optimistic something good may come. But right now, we're helping the suffering people, and the suffering is unimaginable.
KRISTI WATTS (co-host): Absolutely, Pat.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201001130024
And, for all his fake news-show facade, Robertson and his overpaid crew do absolutely no fact-checking whatsoever. He just opens his sacred sphincter and crazy comes out. It wasn't under Trey at all, it was the original Little General. It wasn't a population-wide contract, it was a specific arrangement by the leaders of the slave revolt. The purpose was to gain sufficient ability to win the fight and keep their honor in the process. And, it worked.
The satanic pact allegedly took place at Bois-Caman near Cap-Hatien on August 14, 1791 during a meeting organized by several slave leaders, under [Dutty] Boukman’s leadership, before launching what would become Haiti’s Independence War. This brutal period lasted 13 years until the last survivors of the French expeditionary forces, dispatched to Saint-Domingue with the sole purpose to re-establish slavery, were allowed by Dessalines to leave the island and return to Napoleon. Those who made it safely to France wrote and reported about the utmost bravery and supreme courage of Haiti’s indigenous army.
Robertson: Haiti 'cursed' since Satanic pact- POLITICO
Who the deal was with, assuming you understand voudun and the way these bargains work, is pretty easy to guess. Papa Legba is the black man at the crossroads who will give you a talent. It doesn't cost you your soul or your country, just a chicken and your undivided attention.
The Crossroads

  
anglagard
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Message 17 of 68 (542952)
01-14-2010 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2010 2:01 AM


Dr Adequate writes:
Well, there's that pesky commandment against bearing false witness.
It burns, it burns the precious.
Edited by anglagard, : context

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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Dr Adequate
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Message 18 of 68 (542959)
01-14-2010 4:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Briterican
01-13-2010 5:19 PM


Unmysterious Ways
Jehovah, as I understand,
holds all creation in his hand:
the Bible leaves no doubt.
And yet he always intervenes
with great economy of means,
and takes the easy route ---
sends droughts to nations that defy
his will (and which are hot and dry);
to prove his power is great, he
judiciously supports this boast
by flooding regions on the coast
and causing quakes in Haiti.
For God, it seems, has got a chronic
dislike of anything tectonic
as Pat Robertson's revealed,
and he'll pour his wrath and hate on
folks who don't live on a craton
on a continental shield.
For petty sins like genocide
and torture, he lets those abide
and wisely stays his hand;
but saves his deadliest assaults
for those who have tectonic faults ---
that's one thing he can't stand.
The wage of sin is death, it's written:
and yet I somehow stay unsmitten
by earthquake or tsunami:
for God forgives the rather large sins
of those who shun tectonic margins,
and chooses not to harm me.
And so, as far as I am able
I stick to regions that are stable
and so avoid my sentence.
This clever little dodge, I call
most geo-theo-logical ...
and more fun than repentance.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 19 of 68 (542961)
01-14-2010 4:50 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Iblis
01-13-2010 11:48 PM


Re: when news breaks, we fix it
Just hours after saying that God was punishing Haiti for making a "pact with the Devil," televangelist Pat Robertson retracted the statement, telling TV viewers, "Haiti? I thought they said 'Hades.'"
Rev. Robertson said that he had heard the report of the earthquake on the radio and had misinterpreted its location: "For the life of me, I thought God was punishing Hades, which does in fact have a pact with the Devil."
Apologizing for his "goof," the televangelist told his TV audience, "Golly - people must've thought I was being an insensitive asshole."
No, Mr Roberton, we thought you were a stupid insensitive asshole.
Now that you've explained you thought you heard a genuine news report on the radio about God punishing Hades, we think you are a lying stupid insensitive asshole.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 20 of 68 (542962)
01-14-2010 4:57 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
01-14-2010 4:50 AM


Re: when news breaks, we fix it
I'm pretty sure that the Huffington Post made that up.

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Son Goku
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Message 21 of 68 (542964)
01-14-2010 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by iano
01-13-2010 10:43 PM


The other side
You seem to be condeming a guy for believing something that, if true, would reasonably be the case.
Yes and if false incredibly belittling to the suffering of tens of thousands of people, since he is speaking with authority to millions of viewers about the fault of the Haitian's suffering as being on their own heads. I must say it is extremely obvious what he has done wrong, so obvious that you must see it. I can then only conclude the cynical opinion that you are defending him because he has the same beliefs as yourself.

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iano
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Message 22 of 68 (542967)
01-14-2010 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by anglagard
01-13-2010 11:33 PM


Re: Usual Twisted Logic
anglagard writes:
Iano uses sophistry to defend Robertson.
Sick.
You're right. A dire post, showing poor judgement and even poorer taste given the circumstances. Defending Pat Robertson wasn't ever on my agenda
Permit me to retract it.
Sorry.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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hooah212002
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Message 23 of 68 (542970)
01-14-2010 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
01-14-2010 4:50 AM


Re: when news breaks, we fix it
Except for the fact that he said it......WHILE RAISING FUNDS TO HELP Haiti!
That's the ironic bit: his orginization is actually helping tremendously by donating thousands/millionsof dollars to relief. he knew full well what he said and what he was talking about. I don't recall Hades being oppressed by France.
So, like Dr. A said...I'm also pretty sure HuffPo made that up.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Percy
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Message 24 of 68 (542973)
01-14-2010 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by subbie
01-13-2010 6:50 PM


subbie writes:
Pat Robertson is proof positive that there is no all-knowing, all-powerful, loving god. Any such being would have struck him dead years ago, or at least rendered him mute.
Or maybe Pat Robertson is proof that the devil is active in our world today.
--Percy

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Briterican
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Message 25 of 68 (542979)
01-14-2010 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by iano
01-14-2010 5:30 AM


Re: Usual Twisted Logic
iano writes:
Permit me to retract it.
I commend you for your retraction. It shows wisdom that, even though you may share some of Robertson's underlying belief system, you recognise the indefensible nature of his comments.

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Briterican
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Message 26 of 68 (542980)
01-14-2010 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by hooah212002
01-14-2010 6:23 AM


Re: when news breaks, we fix it
hooah writes:
That's the ironic bit: his orginization is actually helping tremendously by donating thousands/millionsof dollars to relief.
A noteworthy point.
The Huffington Post undoubtedly fabricated the "Hades" comments, but it's interesting that, because of the ridiculous things that have come out of this man's mouth in the past, it isn't immediately obvious.

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hooah212002
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Message 27 of 68 (542984)
01-14-2010 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Briterican
01-14-2010 8:41 AM


Re: when news breaks, we fix it
It really sounds like something The Onion would report.
Can you really see this fundy publicly calling himself an asshole?
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Dr Adequate
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Message 28 of 68 (542986)
01-14-2010 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by hooah212002
01-14-2010 9:11 AM


Re: when news breaks, we fix it
Yeah, one can see him being stupid, but ... expressing repentance? Never.
---
I presume Fred Phelps has also released the usual bulletin.

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anglagard
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Message 29 of 68 (542991)
01-14-2010 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by iano
01-14-2010 5:30 AM


Re: Usual Twisted Logic
Iano writes:
You're right. A dire post, showing poor judgement and even poorer taste given the circumstances. Defending Pat Robertson wasn't ever on my agenda
Permit me to retract it.
Sorry.
Spoken as a true gentleman.
We all make mistakes. I know I've more than my share in this forum.
Thanks.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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Huntard
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Message 30 of 68 (542994)
01-14-2010 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by iano
01-14-2010 5:30 AM


Re: Usual Twisted Logic
iano writes:
You're right. A dire post, showing poor judgement and even poorer taste given the circumstances. Defending Pat Robertson wasn't ever on my agenda
Permit me to retract it.
Sorry.
Well done Iano, mistakes is something we all make.
Now, for a challenge. Will you not only contract your "defense", but go so far as to comdemn his actions?
Show other "main stream christians" an example, speak out and, eventually, remove the idiocy from your religion!

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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