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Author Topic:   A Discussion of the Rationalization of Slavery
onifre
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Message 38 of 50 (546992)
02-15-2010 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by DevilsAdvocate
02-09-2010 6:21 PM


The Crick opinon...
Many Europeans did look at black people (and other 'foreign' cultures) as inferior because they were spured by superstition, social norms and religious belief. It wasn't that long ago (and some still do) that many fundamental Christians believed that Africans were inferior because of the Curse of Ham as depicted in Genesis 9:20-27.
Silly superstitions aside, the opinion of genetic inferiority actually has (one very famous) scientific supporter.
source
quote:
Watson, who won the 1962 Nobel prize for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, provoked a storm of criticism after his comments were published in the Sunday Times.
The eminent biologist told the British newspaper he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours -- whereas all the testing says not really."

Furthermore:
quote:
In the newspaper interview, he said there was no reason to think that races which had grown up in separate geographical locations should have evolved identically. He went on to say that although he hoped everyone was equal, "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".
So even when religious superstitions are ignored, there are still other arguments to support genetic inferiority.
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My only opinion on slavery, which I must admit that slavery is one of those topic that I could care less about, is that its human nature to control those who can't fight back - for whatever reason.
We are all slaves to something or someone, blacks were slaves to whites at a point in history, and?
Is it justified? Sure. I'm stronger and better armed, you do as I say. Period. Is it right or wrong? Who knows, who cares? Fight back or submit to the will of the strong, or, more intelligent. But my opinion is of no relevance to this thread so please ignore it.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 41 of 50 (547043)
02-15-2010 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by DevilsAdvocate
02-15-2010 6:41 PM


Re: All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Really Oni? Do you really think slavery is an archaic event in history? No, it is still alive and kicking.
Easy DA, get off the soup box. I didn't mean 'who cares' as in if it were happening now who cares.
Slavery is horrible, all forms of it, whether aggressive or under the radar. I hate, despise, find it abhorent to enslave any thing, so I fully agree with you. But again, in many cases I like to call out certain hypocrisies and note that we humans advocate many forms of slavery, all be it under other labels.
Like a circus for instance. But we look the other way, and even enjoy the entertainment aspect of it. And I'm not saying that some circus' don't take good proper care of the animals, but it would be the same as saying some slave owners took good proper care of their slaves. But here again I don't care because it's human nature to do this; like I said before: to control and use those who are weaker or less intelligent.
We do it with animals in labs as well.
Actually it is very relavent, because if we don't stand up for this attrocious and abhorant behavior. Who will?
I agree, we should fight back, but for all species, not just one particular organism. What's the sense of calling it moral if it's selective?
Also, it's great to fight against slavery but there are many forms of it that we take part in every day. The alternative to slavery was another form of manipulation, just not by way of force.
When governments weren't able to use force to control the people, they adapted to new forms of control, namely through the media and through the use of propaganda. In the end the result is the same, a submisive laborer who is dependent on the very system of consumerism to survive that is causing him to be submisive to certain controlling powers.
Freedom from slavery is not being able to consume as you please, and that's what we have defined it as. Remember, its not "freedom" that one gets, it "the same freedom awareded to everyone else" - whatever those may be. Its freedom because someone called it freedom, but in my opinion it's not true freedom.
But that's why I said ignore my opinion, because it will drag the thread off-topic.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 43 of 50 (547053)
02-16-2010 12:08 AM
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02-16-2010 12:03 AM


Re: All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Is this one of those post-modern metaphorical bullshit where left is the same as right, up is the same down, white is the same as black, a dog is the same as a cat, a 21st century mechanical engineer is the same as a 17th century plantation slave, etc.?
Que?
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 45 of 50 (547100)
02-16-2010 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by anglagard
02-16-2010 3:19 AM


Re: A Different Environment Does Not Confer Ignorance
I strongly suggest Guns, Germs, and Steel, after all it is only considered the top popular science book by those who responded to that question from Pharyngula, beating out even Godel, Escher Bach, a distant second.
If you are too busy to read the best pop-sci (and greatest history book IMO) you could always watch The Gods Must Be Crazy one and two.
After all, what is intelligence other than deeply and knowledgeably adapting to your environment.
Care to trade places? May be interesting to see how long you would last in New Guinea or the Kalahari.
Que?
- Oni

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