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Coyote
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Message 121 of 126 (547934)
02-24-2010 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Buzsaw
02-23-2010 11:48 PM


Re: C14 data for Buzsaw
Sorry. I missed the link to where you got that information.

Here are some links that might be of more use:


ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth Creationists

Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.

This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.


Are tree-ring chronologies reliable? (The Biblical Chronologist, Vol. 5, No. 1)

How does the radiocarbon dating method work? (The Biblical Chronologist, Vol. 5, No. 1)

How precise is radiocarbon dating?

Is radiocarbon dating based on assumptions?

Has radiocarbon dating been invalidated by unreasonable results?

Tree Ring and C14 Dating

Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.

Radiocarbon -- full text of issues, 1959-2003.


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Buzsaw
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Message 122 of 126 (547935)
02-24-2010 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by lyx2no
02-23-2010 11:26 PM


Re: Bump for Buzsaw
lyx2no writes:

You need to reconsider what you consider sensible; and if you're Mum where's my allowance?

I'm remaining mum about your allowance, because I can't answer sensibly about that, me not being your mum. Ask your mum to explain it all to you sensibly, sonny boy.

I suggest you look the whole page over and go at countering specific problems you may see in it.

Lyx2no writes:

That's not how it works Buz. Firstly, you didn't even send me to the page you took the quote from.

Say what, bud? Is that family pterigium affecting you, or is it making me batty? Every time I try the link I gave you I get the same quote that I provided the link to. Is it your computer that pterigium affects or you or do I just need to get some sleep? That's it; sleep; the clock just struck 12 here in upstate NY. G'nite; that is, g'mornin.

lyx2no writes:

It called lying.

(Buz a liar? Et tu Brute'? Why is it that everyone makes mistakes but Buz never makes mistakes? Buz always lies? That's been bugging me here for 7 years now. )


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw
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Message 123 of 126 (547936)
02-24-2010 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Coyote
02-24-2010 12:03 AM


Re: C14 data for Buzsaw
Thanks, Coyote. I'll check out your info tomorrow.
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RAZD
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Message 124 of 126 (547951)
02-24-2010 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Coyote
02-23-2010 11:13 PM


Re: C14 data for Buzsaw
Hi Coyote,

The atmospheric variation problem was identified by de Vries in 1958, shortly after C14 dating was invented.

The 14C level changes with solar activity on an 11 year cycle, and this cycle shows up in the tree ring data. Astonishing.

Enjoy.


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Apothecus
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Posts: 275
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Message 125 of 126 (547981)
02-24-2010 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Buzsaw
02-23-2010 10:52 PM


Re: Bump for Buzsaw
I already offered my 2 cents worth on that some place in this thread.

Yes, Buz, I read that post. Forgive me, but I found your explanations ... wanting.

However, your imagination is impeccable.

How is it, again, that you as an admitted scientific layperson can draw such striking parallels between Amazonian swamp trees and dry-climate mountain pines with regard to whether or not they could survive long-term immersion and expect reasonable folks to take you the least bit seriously? I understand your dogma is on the line here, but c'mon! Irrationality helps your case not at all.

Edited by Apothecus, : added final paragraph


"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964
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lyx2no
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Message 126 of 126 (547989)
02-24-2010 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Buzsaw
02-24-2010 12:19 AM


Re: Bump for Buzsaw
I suggest you look the whole page over and go at countering specific problems you may see in it.

Suggest away. That's not how a debate works. If the fundamentalist who wrote that wishes to show up and debate it, fine, but I'm not going to debate something you don't even bother to fact check. The paragraphs you quoted were garbage. It has been explained to you at length more then once exactly why it is garbage. Coyote has just explained again exactly why it is garbage. Could you at least do the honorable thing and explain to Coyote why he's having his peculiar delusion of accuracy for radiocarbon dating. Maybe give the poor man's family a momentary brake from his constant, domestic 14C rants.

You say you're trying to learn. What is it you're trying to learn, Buz: How to be impervious to facts?

Say what, bud?

It's working for me today. Last night I was being redirected to a google page suggesting individual NDT essays. How long does it take you to find these misstatement hidden away in obscure sources? Why would you go to a tertiary source for your information when there are easily located, reputable, primary and secondary sources? Hope you slept well.

(Buz a liar? Et tu Brute'? Why is it that everyone makes mistakes but Buz never makes mistakes? Buz always lies? That's been bugging me here for 7 years now. )

I'm afraid you keep earning it for yourself, Buz. We all make mistakes. You more then most. But using arguments you know or should know to be false and only don't to an ascendant chorus of Fa-la-la's is lying.

Edited by lyx2no, : Punc.


You are now a million miles away from where you were in space-time when you started reading this sentence.
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