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Percy Member Posts: 19960 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Hi Kofh2u,
You're previous messages could be loosely interpreted as on-topic, but this one isn't even close and so I won't address its content. If you'd like to discuss how we know how big the universe is then your participation here is very welcome, but if you continue in this way then I'm pretty sure you'll lose your permissions in this forum, too, the Big Bang and Cosmology forum. As a participant I can't moderate this thread myself, but I'm not the only moderator. --Percy
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No, not even close. But you should start a new topic, as this is in the Science Forum. Just throw one into the Coffee House and I'll reply there when I see it.
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Eli Member (Idle past 2282 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
Nope. What you are doing is making disproven assertions that there are 6 eras, when there are not.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Someone said you refuted the Theistic Evolution observation that the seven "days" of creation were analogous to and might be considered scientifically supported by Geology. If they were referring to what you say here, you are wrong. Catastrophic geological events are what makes the divisions between these seven geological markers for a History of the Earth. Just read the conditions and environments which separate the old earthly state to the next new heavens and earth to follow. 2) You are wrong. Everything in Genesis is consistent with the geology. 3) The first "day" described in Genesis tells us that the Earyh was void of a spherical shaped and that the spinning rocks of the accertion ring around the Sun had darkness upon the face of its disk.
(I hope this information is on topic in regard to the size of the Universe up to the formation of the Earth as a sphere on day two.)
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Nope. These terms are immaterial to what I am saying. Within each the seven geological division there are sub-layers. But we are unconcerned with the matter of how old a rock layer might be. That means what changed over time historicaly as marked and punctuated by major geological divisions such as meteoric impacts that involved mass wipe outs and fundamental changes in the environment.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Though I disagree with your above post, it seems I am not within the bounds of the forum rules somehow here. Please tell what I am doing wrong in that regard. Somehow I am getting into trouble simply by responding to what people post. But this is getting me in dutch with the administrators. Would you please give me the first post in this thread where I broke the rules? Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
We are off topic for sure as it regards the size of the universe. I think everyone talking to me is also off topic too. Contradicting me seems to be the turning point. Such contradiction is more than an invitation and just short of disparaging my post and any point I may have made. Is that not what is happening here? I am going to go back over this thread and find the place where you people went off topic and focused on arguing a point you did not understand in my post or took opposition with. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
OK.
My post 205 was on Topic but everyone (including Percy) responded thereafter about what I said in that post. I merely displayed scientific charts and images of the seven stage Big Bang expansion up to the formation of the Earth, followed by the six historical divisions of the Earth's existence thereafter. Every post thereafter was in direct response to a comment OFF TOPIC about something criticized in the diagrams and charts. Here wss post 306, immediately following my own. Rahvin Reply to: Message 205 by kofh2u -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: lost in space 1) You're just choosing arbitrary divisions for your mythical "days." You could just as easily divide the evolution of the Universe into 2, 3, or 10 different "days" by choosing different arbitrary divisions. In this respect, your Bible is no more or less correct than any random guess. 3) The Biblical Genesis myth compresses the origin of at minimum the solar system into the first day. The rest is used to create various forms of life, which obviously precludes using the 7th day for the "formation of galaxies."
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Admin Director Posts: 12713 From: EvC Forum Joined: |
Hi Kofh2u,
I haven't posted to this thread as Percy in over half a month, so I'm going to take over as moderator. Please do not post to this thread unless it is about the size of the universe.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Ok.
Could you direct me to your last post about the size of the Universe so I can respond to you on whatever point you may have made on that issue? I will do the work of searching back if you are angry with me. I mean the size of the Universe MUST be 13.5 billion light years X 13.5 BLY X13.5 BLY unless there isevidence that light bends around some closed boundary containingthe Cosmos. (IMHO). Where is your statement in regard to this or shall I sarch back?
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Ok, I got it.
I jut discovered the fetch tool. Message 3 of 235 (545088) "The 93 billion light year figure you cited is the diameter"... ///// It makes sense that the cubic Cartesan Graph of the Universe would be 13.5 billion light years in every direction since that is the Age of the Universe. I did not read the link refered to yet, but the idea of 92 billion light years seems wrong, intuitively.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
What about the first verse Gen 1:1? How was the "In the beginning" any different in principle that the present discovery of a Big Bang beginning to a previously non-existent universe? It seems to me that Genesis was out on a limb until Hubble found suppport for the claim that the cosmos was NOT always there.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Hmm... But I thought Dark Energy was deduced because this expansion of Space itself demonstrated that the galaxies were accelerating.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 2610 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Hi Mr Percy,... I don't think I can respond to this under the present dictates of the administration. However, it is confusingthat science refers to the edge of the visible universe as being @ 13 billion light years away, while the Hubble Constant is used to explain that Space measures 93 Billion LY in diameter. "But, as Law's team reports online today in Nature, subsequent observations confirmed the galaxy's great distance. Residing in the constellation Pegasus and named Q2343-BX442, the surprise spiral has a redshift of 2.18, which means it is 10.7 billion light-years from Earth and therefore existed just 3 billion years after the big bang. " So what my question amounts to is a definition of Size of the Universe. How sure are we about these theories in regard to the size of the Space/time dimensions when astronomers talk about 12 BLY for the most distant galaxies? Are we to asume that Space has expanded withput matter or energy present in the most distant volumes of Space?
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Percy Member Posts: 19960 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Because in the 13.5 billion years that that light has been traveling toward us, that region of the universe has continued to recede from us. The light we see today from the most distant reaches of the visible universe is from 13.5 billion years ago when it was much closer. Today it is much further away and in fact has passed over a horizon and is now receding from us faster than the speed of light - we'll never see the most distant parts of the universe as they appear today, no matter how long we wait for the light to arrive. By the way, about this:
I don't think you meant to say this. Visible light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum. In other words, it *is* electromagnetic radiation. --Percy
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