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# If complexity requires design, where did the Deity come from?

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New Cat's Eye
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 Message 61 of 111 (566634) 06-25-2010 3:24 PM Reply to: Message 59 by dennis78006-25-2010 3:17 PM

Re: 2nd law again. Do creos never learn anything?
I'll tell you what I think it is, then you tell me I'm wrong. Deal?
The Law of Entropy refers to the amount of disorder, or order in a system.
But it must be a CLOSED system. Otherwise, you could never boil water... but we can because the system isn't closed and heat can be added to it.
The Earth isn't a closed system either. The sun is constantly adding heat. Therefore, the entropy can decreased.
that the likely hood of order by natural process is extremely minute.
No, that's false... Snowflakes.
Order from disorder via a natural process.

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New Cat's Eye
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 Message 68 of 111 (566871) 06-28-2010 11:28 AM Reply to: Message 64 by dennis78006-26-2010 2:48 PM

I'm taking the liberty of introducing the better quote formatting that you refuse to employ.
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The Earth isn't a closed system either. The sun is constantly adding heat. Therefore, the entropy can decreased.
Decreased to a degree. Your point being?
That you're wrong when you think that evolution is some violation of the 2LoT.
The Amount of disordered possibilities is still an unthinkable number, even in an open system.
I'm not sure what you're getting at...
Are you saying that even though the Earth is an open system, evolution is still "too much" for the 2LoT? Aren't you just basing this on an ad-hoc reaction from your personal beliefs?
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Order from disorder via a natural process.
In order for less entropy to occur, work needs to occur, and entropy in any system must increase in the system. This happens when heat is extracted from the water molecule, and heat is added to the system. This is the work.
Huh? That doesn't make any sense at all. What are you trying to say?
One could also argue that snowflakes are not ordered, since no two are alike, and would be a prime example of extreme entropy.
That would be dodging my point. Just take one snowflake... Before forming, we have all the necessary water molecules moving around in a disordered mess. After forming, they have ordered themselves into a pretty little snowflake.
You're claiming that the liklihood of this happening by natural processes is "extremely minute".
Chemical change due to temperature is not order. It is a physical law.
Then I don't know what you're referring to as "order". Please explain.

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