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# If complexity requires design, where did the Deity come from?

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DC85
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 Message 1 of 111 (545876) 02-05-2010 8:56 PM

creationists often point to not only the complexity of life but how the the Universe itself is so complex it needs a creator. The creator of a complex universe would be more complex then it's creation...
You can't have it both ways either complexity means design or it doesn't.
I would like to debate this old line of reasoning.
Edited by Admin, : Change title.

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DC85
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 Message 5 of 111 (546024) 02-07-2010 2:31 PM Reply to: Message 3 by AnswersInGenitals02-07-2010 1:58 AM

Re: A simple answer to a complex question.
The contention that if X is the progenitor of Y, then X must be more complex than Y is simply not true. There are many examples that disprove this contention, but one that is easily checked out on many web sites is the Mandelbrot set. This set is generated by the vary simple iterative sequence: Z(n)
good show however if you think hard about this you'd see this assertion of yours can be used show how a god is not needed and that complexity doesn't require design. It amuses me to an extent that you would fail to see this then I realized you're coming at this topic from the stand point "god does exist" rather then "does god exist?" . I can see how you can easily over look that.
this infinite regression can exist in a finite span of space, and/or time if it converges to a limit.
does it? is everything finite? Why would anyone assume time converges to a limit or for that matter is linear?

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DC85
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 Message 9 of 111 (546853) 02-14-2010 10:41 AM Reply to: Message 7 by AnswersInGenitals02-07-2010 7:55 PM

Re: A simple answer to a complex question.
I did not get your sarcasm and still don't. I'm sorry

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DC85
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 Message 23 of 111 (563706) 06-06-2010 3:24 PM Reply to: Message 20 by dennis78006-06-2010 2:28 PM

Re: Here goes nothing...
Archeopteryx is younger than fully formed bird fossils (150 myo)
You're talking about protoavis.... Protoavis is not a bird

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