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lyx2no
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Message 53 of 59 (513931)
07-02-2009 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by theTroll
07-02-2009 2:16 PM


E=mc2
As for matter from energy. All you have to do is a little math. E = MC^2. Now we the math. M = E/C^2. Tada, matter from energy.
E=mc2 is a formula of equivalence not conversion. It does not imply that energy can be turned into matter.
Are you a troll or what?

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lyx2no
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Message 55 of 59 (513945)
07-02-2009 4:10 PM
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07-02-2009 3:44 PM


Re: E=mc2
It was my understanding that virtual particles pairs could become actual particles by the absorption of the photos energy. Matter isn't created but merely sustained if that's any kind of difference (???). I will investigate, but if there's anyone who wants to comment on this I'd love to hear it.

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lyx2no
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Message 58 of 59 (513957)
07-02-2009 6:29 PM
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07-02-2009 5:02 PM


Re: E=mc2
Yes you get pairs, but that does not mean matter has not been created.
It's not the issue of pairs that is of concern. The bit in your reference that needs to be considered is this:
This is partly because in a technical sense, you cannot just create matter out of energy: there are various 'conservation laws' of electric charges, the number of leptons (electron-like particles) etc., which means that you can only create matter / anti-matter pairs out of energy.
The tecnical bit it that energy is a description of how much work can be performed, not a substance that can be converted into some other kind of substance.
I don't know why I thought you might have been a troll. It was one of those tingling intangibles. I'm glad it was a false positive on the troll-dar. Welcome to the fray, by the way.
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Hope this helps
As always. I probably should have said something myself about m being mass, but I get in enough trouble criticizing expressed error to dissuade me from criticizing potential error.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
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