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Message 38 of 206 (547152)
02-16-2010 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Taq
02-16-2010 1:11 PM


My whole view is that America is a christian nation given that the predominant religion is christianity and our the majority of our traditions are christian in origin. However, our constitution is explicitly secular. Our founding documents go out of their way to exclude religion from government.

This is a good point. However, I see this as being a result of people doing what is "popular". Sheep don't stray too far from the herd. It's nationally accepted, even expected at times, that you are a christian. Everyone assumes you are a christian until you say otherwise. Majority rules, that sort of thing.


Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan


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Message 74 of 206 (547799)
02-22-2010 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Buzsaw
02-22-2010 9:21 PM


Re: James "I Wrote The Bill Of Rights" Madison
http://www.truenews.org/...paration_of_church_and_state.html

Really Buz? THAT is the best source you can find? Let's see what they say about a few other issues:

(section titled FACTS about homosexuality)

Fact 1 - Homosexual marriage degrades a time-honored institution.

Fact 2 - Homosexual marriage would radically redefine marriage to include virtually any sexual behavior

Fact 6 - Homosexual marriage would subject children to unstable home environments

FACTS? I think not.

Really Buz? Next time, use non-biased sauce.

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"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Others—for example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein—considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."

-Carl Sagan


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Message 109 of 206 (652467)
02-13-2012 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by jrchamblee
02-13-2012 8:01 PM


Your logic is as sound as your grasp on English prose.

"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." -Dawkins

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Message 127 of 206 (659478)
04-16-2012 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 8:01 AM


America and the founding fathers may not be "Christian" but we put "in God we trust" on the money for a reason.

Really? Do you really think that the founding fathers put "in god we trust" on the money? Wrong answer. The national motto, my disillusioned, misguided friend, is "e pluribus unum" which means "Out of many, one". Go ahead, look it up. You've got time. In god we trust was put there in the 1950's due to the red scare.

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hooah212002
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Message 129 of 206 (659484)
04-16-2012 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 8:12 AM


that's a strawman arguement.

Um, no, it's not. You tied the founding fathers into your comment about having "in god we trust" on our currency. What does one have to do with the other? Nothing.

The fact remains that is *IS* there on our money and if God didn't exist then our money would be worthless because trust is the foundation of an IOU, which is what money basically is. Obviously America is christian enough for the money system to work.

I am not even sure how to respond to that. It has got to be one of the silliest arguments I have ever encountered. The US dollar is not based on any deity. By your standard, the British Pound is based on the reality of evolution since it has Darwin on it.


"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 137 of 206 (659669)
04-17-2012 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by jrchamblee
04-17-2012 9:44 PM


If (and this is a pretty big leap given your lack of substantiating evidence) this is true...all it says is that GW got his advice from a christian guy. What's that you say? Most every white male during that time was a christian so saying he got advice from a christian guy would be like saying he had black slaves.

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