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Message 16 of 477 (547857)
02-23-2010 1:12 PM

Reply to: Message 4 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
02-23-2010 6:53 AM

Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?

Hi JUC,

Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:

If God is perfect, how did he make us imperfect (in his eyes) and why does that make him angry?

First things first. God did not make you. Your mother and father made you.

God created man in Genesis 2:7 and that man was perfect.
That man chose to disobey God and thus all mankind are now imperfect.

Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:

If God was perfect, he'd be happy all the time because he wouldn't make anything that was imperfect

God never created anything that was not perfect that I know of. If you know of any present it.

Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:

He can't be both perfect and angry.

Why can't God be perfect and get mad at what man does?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 19 of 477 (547866)
02-23-2010 1:52 PM

Reply to: Message 6 by ZenMonkey
02-23-2010 8:11 AM

Re: Poisoning the well?

Hi ZenMonkey,

ZenMonkey writes:

What is just or loving about a God that delivers people to eternal torment who, by reason of chronology and/or geography, have had literally no way at all of hearing about Christ, even though Christ is the only way to eternal life?

Can you come up with anything better than that?

I'll try,

God does not deliver any person to eternal torment.

The first man delivered mankind into the family of the devil.

God provided a way that mankind could be redeemed from the family of the devil.

Jesus died on the cross for that redeemption.

Mankind only has to accept the offer of a free full pardon to receive that redemption.

Jesus will cast anyone into the lake of fire that refuses to accept the sacrifice He made on the cross of Calvary.

Mankind is condemned because they have not believed.

The Church was commisioned by Jesus to go into all the world and spread the word.

So don't blame God for the failure of the Church.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 21 of 477 (547870)
02-23-2010 2:08 PM

Reply to: Message 18 by rueh
02-23-2010 1:26 PM

Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?

Hi rueh,

rueh writes:

The problem I see with this interpretation, is that it assumes that God did not know the outcome of his own creation. If God is omnipotent then he had to of known that man would choose to disopbey his commandment, thus becoming imperfect. It still equates to God creating an imperfect creation no matter how I look at it. Unless as I stated earlier that God is not omnipotent, or the creation of evil and imperfection was necesarry for life/creation to occur at all.

Yes God knew the man was going to choose to disobey Him. Just as He knew you was going to write the above paragraph today.

Did He make you write the above paragraph I referenced?

God did not make the man disobey Him either.

God did create evil as He created the devil and he is perfect. If there was no evil you would not have a choice.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 345 of 477 (561148)
05-19-2010 3:04 AM

Reply to: Message 344 by Phage0070
05-19-2010 2:29 AM

Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?

Hi Phage,

Phage0070 writes:

I need to list a few things as well:

What does any of the things you listed have to do with Christianity?

Christianity (followers of Christ) have only been around since around AD 29.

You are talking about things that happened 3500 years ago.

Get your facts straight if you want to rant.

And I grant that most of the people that claim to be christians today are no more that Christian Atheist. They say they believe God exists and then live like He does not exist.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 349 of 477 (561200)
05-19-2010 11:38 AM

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05-19-2010 3:19 AM

Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?

Hi hooah,

hooah writes:

So the OT has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with christianity?

Absolutely. The only thing it is good for is history and to show us we should not follow the examples set in it by the children of Israel.

hooah writes:

I think jeebus disagrees with you.

Me thinks you don't have any idea what Jesus agrees with or does not agree with.

Matthew writes:

5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus said he came to fulfill the law. Something no man could do as no one has ever kept the law but Jesus.

Paul writes:

2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Paul tell us Christ nailed the law to His cross.

It has been fulfilled.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 350 of 477 (561205)
05-19-2010 12:04 PM

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05-19-2010 3:55 AM

Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?

Hi Phage,

Phage0070 writes:

Would anything he said or did make any sense whatsoever?

Everything.

The OT is a story of a people prepared to be a pure people which Christ would enter into the world through their linage.

Do I need the prophesies of the OT No. But it is nice to know they are there as they prove the Bible to be the Word of God.

But going into the world and making disciples of all nations then baptizing them and then teaching them all things which Christ has commanded has absolutely nothing to do with the OT.

Followers of Christ was given those orders in Matthew 28:19, 20.

Being a Christian is following Jesus in complete obedience.

Love God with all your mind body and spirit.

Love your neighbor as much as you love yourself.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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