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Author Topic:   Did God say it, or did you say it?
DevilsAdvocate
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Message 93 of 127 (549428)
03-07-2010 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by hERICtic
03-07-2010 6:54 AM


Re: actually...it's not that simple
Hertic writes:
My challenge back to you: Find me an instance in scripture where evening/morning means long periods of time. Find me scripture where a number is given with a day that means long periods of time.
Ok playing Devils Advocate (pun intended), I will take your wager Heritic. I love challenges:
Zecheria 14:7 writes:
7It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttimea day known to the Lord. When evening comes, there will be light.
Hebrew transliteration writes:
vehayah yovm-echad hu yivvada Yahweh loyovm velo-layelah; vehayah le'et-erev yihyeh-ovr.
Litterally translated word-for-word:
will come - day - unique (litterally the cardinal number 'one') - which - is known - to the LORD - neither - day - nor - night - will come - time - evening - will come - will be light
Before you say, "that is referring to one 24-hour day" look at the next verse:
Zecheriah 14:8 writes:
8On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter.
as well as the context of the rest of the chapter which clearly indicates this 'yom' is NOT a 24 hour period i.e.
Zecheriah 14:1-2 writes:
1A day of the Lord is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.
2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
I seriously doubt all this is supposed to happen in one 24 hour day.
Clearly your "24 hour day ('yom') in conjunction with cardinal numbers" theory falls apart here.
Here is another example:
Hosea 6:1-2 KJV writes:
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
After two days will he revive us in the third day 'yom' he will raise us up and we shall live in his sight.
Obviously this is NOT referring to strict 24 hour periods, even though cardinal numbers are used here.
Here is a good reference: Creation Essentials, Creation Non-Essentials
also
Does the Bible Say God Created the Universe in Six 24-Hour Days?
Kind of ironic, an agnostic using the Bible to provide hermeneutical evidence supporting old-earth creationism
BTW, not all unbelievers are Bible illiterate. Many of us have had both formal and self-education in Biblical studies.
Take care.
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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 94 of 127 (549430)
03-07-2010 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by AdminPD
03-07-2010 8:59 AM


Re: Topic Please, Seriously
Sorry I replied before reading your Admin warning.
Edited by AdminPD, : Understood

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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