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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
This YEC creationist says the ice ages should more accurately be seen as a freezing rain age.
I see this age as coming about the years 2100 BC to 1900 BC and lasting till about 1700 BC or so. i speculate there was a great upheaval some centuries after the flood , these dates, and part of it was a great volcanic outporing up and down the spine of North/South America and elsewhere. This changed the climate, like a nuclear winter, and brought about the cool and rainy climate that we now call the ice age. I believe ice cores and the general ice depth in northern parts was rather quickly done by endless rain cycles as opposed to annual snow cycles. So there was not a movement from migrating ice but simply frozen water covering everywhere. Then the ice melted rapidly in great floods and all was over and nothing happened since. Its just been wrong interpretations about basic facts and processes from those not first accepting biblical boundaries.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: This YEC creationist says the ice ages should more accurately be seen as a freezing rain age. I see this age as coming about the years 2100 BC to 1900 BC and lasting till about 1700 BC or so. i speculate there was a great upheaval some centuries after the flood , these dates, and part of it was a great volcanic outporing up and down the spine of North/South America and elsewhere. This changed the climate, like a nuclear winter, and brought about the cool and rainy climate that we now call the ice age. I believe ice cores and the general ice depth in northern parts was rather quickly done by endless rain cycles as opposed to annual snow cycles. So there was not a movement from migrating ice but simply frozen water covering everywhere. Then the ice melted rapidly in great floods and all was over and nothing happened since. Its just been wrong interpretations about basic facts and processes from those not first accepting biblical boundaries. But how do you explain the glacial striations, the moraines, the drumlins, the erratic boulders, the cirques, the roches moutonnes? Their existence, I think, falls under the heading of "basic facts". No problem and in fact these days they are used to demonstrate that it was all from mega floods and not slow moving glaciers.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
Taq writes: Its just been wrong interpretations about basic facts and processes from those not first accepting biblical boundaries. It would really help if you would present evidence which would demonstrate that these interpretations are wrong. Simply making up a story is not a valid way to falsify scientific interpretations that are based on literal mountains of evidence. The evidence is the same evidence as used now to draw conclusions. Just a better interpretation is given here.There are only basic pieces of evidence in these things actually.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: This YEC creationist says the ice ages should more accurately be seen as a freezing rain age. I see this age as coming about the years 2100 BC to 1900 BC and lasting till about 1700 BC or so. i speculate there was a great upheaval some centuries after the flood , these dates, and part of it was a great volcanic outporing up and down the spine of North/South America and elsewhere. This changed the climate, like a nuclear winter, and brought about the cool and rainy climate that we now call the ice age. I believe ice cores and the general ice depth in northern parts was rather quickly done by endless rain cycles as opposed to annual snow cycles. So there was not a movement from migrating ice but simply frozen water covering everywhere. Then the ice melted rapidly in great floods and all was over and nothing happened since. Its just been wrong interpretations about basic facts and processes from those not first accepting biblical boundaries. If this had occurred, why doesn't your book mention these floods which would have occurred in such places as Egypt, Canaan & Mesopotamia, where the Biblical stories take place. The bible deals only with basic info for its agenda.Those lands would not be close to the action here.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
Taq writes: No problem and in fact these days they are used to demonstrate that it was all from mega floods and not slow moving glaciers. How do mega floods produce these features? Studies on mega floods show almost all formations in sediment or bedrock are from fast flowing water. That is the votices and other mechanisms within the flow. even Drumlins are seen now as from mega floods.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: They would be close to the action, ever heard of the Mediterranean Sea? the melting of Ice age ice would overflow the Mediterranean and flood the middle east & North Africa. In fact it is said that the Med sea was carved out by fast flowing water into it. They put it in a earlier age then the glacial period but still its all about the sea being created by water surges.I'm by the way not saying the melting of the ice was what carved out the med. i see it as from a world event a few centuries after the great flood. There was a rise in sea levels everywhere. This from a great upheaval on continents as I see it. anyways the point is YES the Med was created by incoming water.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
bluescat48 writes: You are missing my point, the med sea was already there in 2100 BCE. if as your hypothesis would have, the melting waters would flow into the med sea and overflow all around it including Canaan & Mesopotamia. When ever it came in the BC it still was a excavation of the land that created the Med sea. Before it was dry land which allowed rapid animal migration. in fact they find concentrations of creatures, post flood, killed and collected in some islands showing they were overthrown by this event.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
its a common mention in books dealing with the origin of the Med sea.
Not creationist material.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
Taq writes: Studies on mega floods show almost all formations in sediment or bedrock are from fast flowing water. What type of formation could a mega flood not produce? How does a mega flood produce 400 foot thick chalk deposits made up of coccolithophores? How do mega floods create lake varves where the insect and leaf debris is sorted by minute differences in 14C? How do megafloods produce fossilized windswept sand dunes like those seen in the Cocconino sandstones in the Grand Canyon? How do megafloods produce incised gooseneck meanders like those seen here:
I only meant the mega floods created certain earth geography. I meant that the melted ice was the origin of the mega floods. not noahs flood.It was a example of how mega floods are now seen to have done massive instand work.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: its a common mention in books dealing with the origin of the Med sea. No it isn't. It's widely accepted that the Med was filled by a breach of the Straits of Gibraltar, but not that the Mediterranean basin was excavated by the water in question. How would that even work? They do talk anout great canyons and other evidence on the floor showing powerful moving water.anyways it would be from some carving and then possibly some infilling from other events. Let its the new big thing about the origin of the med.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined:
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The material would be the origin of the areas in North africa. in fact the material for the pyramids. I imagine water carving out a basin and depositing material on the sides and then some infilling from the mts in europe filling it in again. The origin for fossil life above the k-t line north and south of the Med is from this event as i see iot and it fits biblical boundaries.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
Dr Adequate writes: They do talk anout great canyons and other evidence on the floor showing powerful moving water. And they say that these canyons correspond to rivers which drained into the basin while it was a desert. And no-one (well, no geologist, I can't speak for the creationists, who might say anything) says that the basin as a whole was produced by the breach of the straits. It had to be there already, as proved by drilling and indeed by common sense, since the Atlantic had to have something to flow into. its new ideas that water flooded into the area in a big way and anyways it filled the area up with water.It simply was so powerful it lowered the basin and threw the sediment on top of the boundaries. The great fossil assemblages on all sides i see as from this short event about a century or two after the flood.
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Robert Byers Member (Idle past 4389 days) Posts: 640 From: Toronto,canada Joined: |
Taq writes: It simply was so powerful it lowered the basin and threw the sediment on top of the boundaries. The great fossil assemblages on all sides i see as from this short event about a century or two after the flood.
Based on what evidence? The evidence is the fossils. tHey show them being covered quickly by sediment. this is a post flood event. So it was from the water crashing into the med area. Deepening a bit and in some areas carving great chunks of it out. It deposited much material on its banks.
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