Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 66 (9164 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,470 Year: 3,727/9,624 Month: 598/974 Week: 211/276 Day: 51/34 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   How do scientists explain the cause of the Ice Age(s)?
jar
Member (Idle past 416 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 26 of 96 (571222)
07-30-2010 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
07-30-2010 8:22 PM


Re: Hypothetical great flood - How does such lead to an ice age?
Buz writes:
The consensus among many creationists, including me, is that the pre-flood earth had a vapor canopy creating a global warm terrarium planet. The flood destroyed this protective canopy, suddenly cooling the planet and freezing the flooded poles, including some tropical type stuff which, by the way, has been found in places like Siberia, etc.
Unfortunately Buz, the Biblical Flood has been absolutely refuted so even if you guys reach a consensus, it is simply wrong.
See Message 5 in "Was there a worldwide flood?"

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 25 by Buzsaw, posted 07-30-2010 8:22 PM Buzsaw has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 27 by Buzsaw, posted 07-30-2010 9:14 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 416 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


(1)
Message 28 of 96 (571232)
07-30-2010 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Buzsaw
07-30-2010 9:14 PM


Re: Hypothetical great flood - How does such lead to an ice age?
Buz writes:
Lol, Jar. Your alleged genetic silver bullet (quote below from flood thread) doesn't shoot down the flood.
Of course it does Buz. Have you ever read the Bible?
In the version of the myth found in Genesis 6 God instructs Noah to:
quote:
19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them."
In the version of the myth found in Genesis 7 we see similar (close but not the same) instructions:
quote:
2 Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.
We also find similar explanations of what will be destroyed in Genesis 6 it says:
quote:
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earthmen and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the airfor I am grieved that I have made them."
and in Genesis 7:
quote:
4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."
In both myths lots of critters get killed, in the myth found in Genesis 6 it seems to be talking about land animals and birds while the myth found in Genesis 7 goes even further and wipes out all living things.
If we play mix and match and take the best scenario from each of the myths we might be able to claim that only the birds and land animals were wiped out based on the passage from the Genesis 6 story and that we have the larger saved population found in Genesis 7.
Based on that mix and match game set we have a situation where all land animals and birds found today will be descended from a population that consisted of at most fourteen critters (seven pairs of clean animals and birds) and at worst case four critters (two pair of unclean animals).
Now that is what I would call a real bottleneck.
We know we can see bottlenecks in the genetic record; a great example is the one in Cheetahs but we even see them in the human genome and most other species.
BUT...
If the flood actually happened we would see a bottleneck in EVERY species of animal living on the land and EVERY bird and EVERY one of the bottlenecks show up in the SAME historical time period.
Talk about a big RED flag.
That bottleneck signature would be something every geneticists in the world would see. It would be like a neon sign, Broadway at midnight on New Years Eve. It would be something even a blind geneticist could see.
So it seems to me to be a very simple test that will support or refute the Flood.
If that genetic marker is there in EVERY species living on land or bird of the air, then there is support for the flood. It does not prove the flood happened but it would be very strong support.
If on the other hand that genetic marker is NOT there, then the Flood is refuted.
That genetic marker is NOT there.
The Biblical Flood has been refuted.
Buz writes:
You are assuming a relative uniformity which necessarily assumes the impossibility of a global flood.
That of course is simply untrue. Nothing in my Genetic Marker test assumes uniformity. The only assumptions are that the Bible accurately describes what the Biblical flood would have been like.
And the evidence shows that the Biblical Flood never happened.
Fact.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 27 by Buzsaw, posted 07-30-2010 9:14 PM Buzsaw has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 416 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 52 of 96 (605811)
02-22-2011 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Robert Byers
02-22-2011 12:07 AM


Robert Byers writes:
This YEC creationist says the ice ages should more accurately be seen as a freezing rain age.
I see this age as coming about the years 2100 BC to 1900 BC and lasting till about 1700 BC or so.
i speculate there was a great upheaval some centuries after the flood , these dates, and part of it was a great volcanic outporing up and down the spine of North/South America and elsewhere.
This changed the climate, like a nuclear winter, and brought about the cool and rainy climate that we now call the ice age.
I believe ice cores and the general ice depth in northern parts was rather quickly done by endless rain cycles as opposed to annual snow cycles.
So there was not a movement from migrating ice but simply frozen water covering everywhere.
Then the ice melted rapidly in great floods and all was over and nothing happened since.
Its just been wrong interpretations about basic facts and processes from those not first accepting biblical boundaries.
Where is your supporting evidence?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 49 by Robert Byers, posted 02-22-2011 12:07 AM Robert Byers has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024