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rockondon
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Message 241 of 297 (555277)
04-12-2010 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by marc9000
04-12-2010 9:15 PM


Re: Entrance Requirements - and (epic) Failed ID
I would challenge you to make a convincing case that believers in ONLY blind, purposeless, happenstance processes are going to do as thorough a job of researching the INFORMATION contained in DNA to the extent that those who apply design to it. Those who aren’t politically afraid to acknowledge 21st century biology. Information is the key biological word. Do naturalists purposely avoid that word?
Naturalists don't avoid that word, they simply ask what it means and are ignored when they do so. If you find a definition somewhere, please share it with us. I've never seen a creationist define what they mean by "information," and this is surely done intentionally to avoid being refuted.
Its kind of like this:
Creationist: I don't think cars exists because car manufacturers are incapable of producing frammerbubble.
Evolutionist: What's frammerbubble?
Creationist: I'm not telling. But until you prove to me that car manufacturers can make it, then that proves that cars don't exist.
We can observe new genes, new genotypes, new phenotypes, new traits, additional genetic variety, novel genetic material, novel genetically-regulated abilities, and additional genetic material being formed so however you wish to define it, 'new information' is definitely being formed.
I’m sure you can practically close your eyes and copy/paste scientific refutations of what I said above from thousands of atheist sites... PR campaigns by atheist organizations... Pushed by atheist groups, and their frenzy of activism directed at school boards and state legislatures...Darwinists/atheists...It’s no different than self-proclaimed atheists...Atheists seem like the ones who feel the need to convince themselves that atheism and...It’s not a bit different from atheists claims that...Their claim is that their atheism is personal...
My goodness...whine about atheists much?
Your arguments against evolution read like this: evolution is wrong because....uh...well...I hate atheists waaaahhhhh!!!
Its amusing to see your attempts to connect evolution with atheism, considering that the Catholic church implicitly accepts evolution. Do you feel that Catholics are atheists? The guy you like to quote, Michael Behe, accepts common descent and agrees that humans descended from other primates - do you feel that Behe is an atheist?
Those were rhetorical questions btw.
Lets have a thought experiment. Here's a picture from an anti-evolution website:

Even they admit the order shown in the fossil record reveals a trend of increasing complexity from simple creatures to complex mammals.
The Geological Column
So our thought experiment is this: we are acknowledging the increasing complexity in the fossil record and we are assuming that 'information' does NOT increase.
Now when we look at the fossil record, we see that the earliest life were prokaryotic cells (very simple cells) and these were followed by eukaryotic cells (more complex cells) and although no new information was gained, this still somehow led to multicellular animals, followed by shell-bearing animals, then vertebrates, then amphibians, then reptiles, then mammals.
What we have now determined is, after assuming that 'information' is not gained by mutations, life still changes over time regardless, as shown by a trend of increasing complexity through the fossil record. In other words, evolution does occur regardless of whether or not information/frammerbubble is increased.

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