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Topic: The accelerating expanding universe
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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4166 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
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Message 40 of 149 (606640)
02-27-2011 1:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by Percy
02-27-2011 12:51 PM
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NASA science.
NASA science has an astrophysics page that has some very interesting stuff about dark energy and how the expansion of the universe is now believed by some to have been slowing down until about 6 million years ago. These theory's come as a result of observations made by Chandra x-ray observatory. It can be found at NASA science's astrophysics page, the topic is near the top center and is titled ' Finding That Dark Matter is Accelerating the Expansion of the Universe. Lots of other good stuff to on the topic in some NASA archives. Basic stuff also like Hubble's Law. Maybe it will help somebody like me who just isn't as knowledgeable as they would like to be....enjoy Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.
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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4166 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
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Re: Relative Space in Linear, Flat and Absolute Time
Did you write this?? Page Not Found?? It seems you are using this style in your responses. It sounds like a bunch of rubbish, based on no real science. I think you should read this and let me know what you think. Chandra :: Photo Album :: Galaxy Clusters and Dark Energy :: 18 May 04
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4166 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
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Re: A general question for anyone
Alfred Maddenstein writes: Reality trumps logic every time may be remaining another vacuous assertion of yours, unless you bring me concrete examples. Say, give me a list of the alleged trumpings of logic by reality that you have observed to-day. Then we may examine the occurrences and establish whether such was the case. Catch my drift? Well this is an off-topic question/response, although I cant help but to think of this... If you had a perfectly level field and fired a gun at say 5 feet off the ground, perfectly level, and dropped a bullet of the same weight at the same time as the one leaves the barrel from 5 feet also, which one will hit the ground first?? No wind or any other atmospheric conditions are affecting either bullet. Ask 10 people, you might be surprised as the answers you get. My point being that sometimes peoples logic can be flawed, but the truth is still the truth. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4166 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
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Message 137 of 149 (613780)
04-27-2011 10:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 136 by Oli
04-27-2011 9:37 AM
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Re: Relativity
Black holes, says Mayer, are actually the "in" end of a tunnel through spacetime (ie a wormhole) which leads to the opposite side of the universe. And at that end one finds a "white hole" spewing forth raw energy and fundamental particles. Dead star goes in, elemental ingredients come out. That means 100% recycling of material and energy, occurring everywhere in the universe, for all eternity. Can't get much more sustainable than that. This is from one of Mayer's papers, just thought it was interesting as far as I know a white hole hasn't been found. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4166 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
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Message 139 of 149 (613791)
04-27-2011 11:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 138 by cavediver
04-27-2011 11:11 AM
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Re: Relativity
I have muddled through enough of his stuff to agree with you completely. I find it interesting that the final release of his book has been moved to July now, it was set for this month. I firmly believe in an expanding universe, not one where black holes link to, as of yet undiscovered, white holes that spew out matter. If this was true it seems there would be some observations to support it.
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4166 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
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Re: Relativity
Hi alf, Where are the white holes? Where is there any data and observations to even support a model of one?? As far as I can find they are only theoretically possible, and cannot be formed through gravitational collapse. If Mayer's model of the universe were true then there should be as many white holes as black holes, I think we should be able to observe one if he was right. Where is any evidence of one. Edited by fearandloathing, : add content
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4166 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
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Re: Relativity
Alfred Maddenstein writes: fearandloathing writes: Hi alf, Where are the white holes? Where is there any data and observations to even support a model of one?? As far as I can find they are only theoretically possible, and cannot be formed through gravitational collapse. If Mayer's model of the universe were true then there should be as many white holes as black holes, I think we should be able to observe one if he was right. Where is any evidence of one.
Well, yes, but don't forget that to claim that black holes themselves are anything really observed is a contradiction in terms. Something or other is observed that via a few logical steps is interpreted to be black holes as they are currently conceived. Otherwise they are purely mathematical objects and if the premise behind the maths is wrong, the black holes may evaporate from the public imagination in a couple of decades. It seems you are avoiding my question, where is there evidence of white holes? Mayer's model of the universe depends on white holes if it is to be stable,with no beginning and no end. How else would matter be recycled into new matter for new stars ect...Without this feature of his model then, as I see it, eventually the universe would run out of energy and end in a cold death. If the math that supports black holes is wrong, then his model is also wrong. Black holes are observable trough their interaction with the observable...ie stars ect...
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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fearandloathing
Member (Idle past 4166 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: 02-24-2011
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Re: Relativity
The interaction with the stars is far from being anything direct. That is nothing like watching my tea-kettle boil I am engaged in right now. How are the observations made with Hubble and Chandra not direct?
current maths behind black holes as they are currently conceived is skewed, he says. Please explain how they are skewed?
"I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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