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Author Topic:   Evidence for the Biblical Record
Rahvin
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Message 88 of 348 (550613)
03-16-2010 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Buzsaw
03-16-2010 6:27 PM


Re: Some comments on the use of gold as an anti-foulant
The problem here, Buz, is that you aren;t presenting evidence that supports a given conclusion.
You're speculating on possibilities that may allow your version of events to match with reality.
This is apologetics. You ignore the facts or missing pieces in your story, and speculate at "possibilities" to twist what is observed.
Evidence of the Exodus would include signs in Egypt of a population and separate culture numbering in the millions living as a subservient working class for several hundred years. You would expect to see some writings (Egyptian or otherwise); some pottery of Abrahamic design; anything at all of Hebrew culture existing in Egypt. You would expect to see records of a mass Exodus.
We're talking about an event more significant than every slave in teh American South leaving the plantations, the Confederate Army chasing them with the Confederate President at the head, and a massive hurricane killing the Confederates while all the former slaves escape unscathed, followed by forty years spent wandering an area smaller than the American South. Can you imagine the ramifications of that? The written history? The archeology of the camp sites used during forty years of wandering by a population numbering in the millions? The ramifications of losing a head of state and a large segment of the military to a natural disaster?
Evidence is not "maybe x cause the y to look that way..." or "maybe this barely recognizable artifact is one of the chariot wheels," even though one would expect to find many such wheels, and there is no corroborative evidence that would lead one to identify a simple underwater wheel as specifically a wheel from an Egyptian chariot involved in teh Exodus of the Bible.

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Message 154 of 348 (550916)
03-19-2010 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by greyseal
03-19-2010 8:56 AM


Re: Buz Denies The Evidence
who wanted to bring about the end of the world.
It's like the Gozer worshipers from Ghostbusters!
...except they're real, and serious.

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Message 206 of 348 (551423)
03-22-2010 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 4:05 PM


Re: Denial Of The Evidence
This is as irrevelant as the EvC rating system, Huntard, in which the biased concensus of the secularist majority POV consistently rates high
That's true - appeals to populatiry are logical fallacies.
However, as has been stated, interpretation is not the same as evidence. I can certainly see where you're coming from with the "speaking image" reference to television, but that doesn't mean you aren't recognizing a false pattern. It's not a literal usage of terminology. It's widely open to interpretation, as Peg has shown from another Christian perspective.
More importantly, it's not an observation,. It;s not testable, nor reproducible. You may find it personally convincing, but I see no reason to give credence to your interpretation of the text over Peg's, for instance. And I see no reason whatsoever to agree that yours is an example of fulfilled Biblical prophesy.

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Message 232 of 348 (551879)
03-24-2010 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Peg
03-24-2010 11:39 PM


Re: Denial Of The Evidence
the idea that the chinese character for ship is strangely similar to the noahs ark story seems too much for some of you to handle.
Two words:
Confirmation Bias.

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Message 250 of 348 (551970)
03-25-2010 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by slevesque
03-25-2010 2:32 PM


Re: Denial Of The Evidence
As you said they could just share the same common myth as origin.
More likely they simply share a common experience. In this case, that of a large flood. It doesn't have to be a single event. Floods are common around the world. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that flood myths will exist in widely disparate cultures, and that similarities will be found simply due to the similar experiences anyone will have living through any flood.
There's absolutely no reason at all to thing they all refer to one or even just a few events.
But I think that this, added with other cultural factors pointing to a common origin (such as constellations) could make a compelling case for a ''tower of babel'' type origin to ancient cultures around the world.
Why? It doesn't make the assertion that all cultures descended from a single culture broken by a Babel event any more likely.
You may as well say that "Fish, added with other cultural factors pointing to a common origin..." If it doesn't actually add to the likelihood of the assertion, it's not evidence, and it's irrelevant.

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