Evidence for the Biblical Record

The bible people know that they cannot provide any corroborating evidence. They expect it to be accepted on faith and faith alone.But if you do get a bite, it should be fun.

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See #8

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You keep claiming evidence but don't point to any actual evidence.

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Have you a heard of Samuel Clemons(Mark Twain)? He wrote a couple books that have real people and places in them. So I assume that makes them true?How about the "The DaVinci Code"? That is so full of real people and places it must be practically scripture.Your logic is flawed to the point that it is ludicrous.

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But you have no evidence yours is not fiction.You are claiming that your book is true because of the same reasons that any fiction could be true.What you stated is NOT evidence to the historicity of the bible, or for that matter any book.

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We have discussed your examples of prophecy in the past. They do not pass the sniff test.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Evidence please not just blind assertions.You do know that Moses is a central prophet in Islam, don't you?

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Moses (Arabic موسى Musa ) (1526BC - 1406BC) is a prophet in Islam(Quran 20:13). According to the Muslim creed, all Muslims must have faith in all Prophets and Messengers mentioned in the Qur'an, which includes Moses. Moses is often referred to by the title Kalim Allah meaning "He who spoke with God."[citation needed] The Qur'an mentions him more frequently than any other prophet. It is traditionally believed that Moses lived to the age of 120 years

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In researching Buz's latest, this is my favorite line so far. SourceSo there was no such thing as coral before man made items fell into the ocean? Atlantis must be under the Great Barrier Reef.Edited by Theodoric, : punctuation

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The Indonesian Constitution states "every person shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice" and "guarantees all persons the freedom of worship, each according to his/her own religion or belief".[3] The government, however, officially only recognizes six religions, namely Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism.

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SourceYou are correct about Saudi Arabia, but I do not know of any other Muslim country that bans preaching or teaching of the bible. Please enlighten me.Your comment does not strengthen your argument. All it does is display your ignorance. Moses is a big thing in Islam. This can not be denied. So why would they prevent research into him? Please provide evidence that the Saudi's do not allow research into Moses. I have found a few websites by christians saying they have researched it in Saudi Arabia. Are they lying?Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Lennart Moller is a DNA researcher, a biologist, not an archaeologist.Here is a good debunking of the good doctor.

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Dr. Lennart Moller: There is one find at the Nuweiba location that is of great interest, and that is the gilded wheel. [digital ‘recreation’ appears on screen, based on photo taken by Ron Wyatt] It is a wooden basic structure of the wheel and it is covered with gold or electrum, a mixture of silver and gold, and corals have not been able to grow on it. [really? why not? see questions below] It’s been very well preserved, although it’s very fragile. It seems like the wooden content has been dissolved. So I mean you could break it if you tried to remove it.

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Announcer: After its discovery the fragile wheel-shaped veneer was photographed, then left in place on the sea floor. Later analysis revealed that its dimensions and design resembled four-spoked chariot wheels painted on an 18th Dynasty tomb wall near the biblical date of the Exodus.

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Note that Moller does not say he discovered this gilded wheel, nor that he saw it, photographed it, nor touched it. There is no undersea footage of the gilded wheel in the film but merely a digital reconstruction of a photograph taken by Wyatt in the 1970s. But note that although almost no coral is shown touching this bright shiny wheel, based on Wyatt's photo, still there are plenty of thick corals growing on one another and seen all over the actual seabed of the Red Sea as shown in the film. Neither does Wyatt's original photo provide clear evidence as to whether the small piece of coral seen on the wheel simply was placed there or not, it doesn’t seem particularly well attached, not compared with the vast conglomerations of corals in the general area. And contra a statement made by Dr. Moller in the film, there does not appear to be any reason why coral should not be able to grow on an object made of gold, silver or a mixture of both, as any archeologist can demonstrate who has dug up objects made of all sorts of ancient precious metals from the sea with coral growing on them.

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Neither do Wyatt’s and Moller’s separate tales add up concerning such a gilded wheel. On the one hand Wyatt claimed in the 1970s to have photographed such a wheel and then presented it to Nassif Mohammed Hassan who worked at the Cairo museum whom Wyatt has on tape saying that it resembled an ancient Egyptian chariot wheel. (However what studies did Hassan made of the wheel if any? Did he actually handle it? What evidence is there that Hassan was presented with anything more than just a photograph of the wheel?) Then Hassan died a few years later. So he’s no longer available for questioning. Now compare Moller’s story in his video which speaks about the gilded chariot wheel as if it were extremely fragile, made of 3,500 year old wood covered with gold or electrum, a mixture of silver and gold. And it’s very fragile. It seems like the wooden content has been dissolved. So you could break it if you tried to remove it, and the announcer described it as nothing more than a fragile wheel-shaped veneer. So if Moller is right, how did Wyatt remove such a "fragile wheel-shaped veneer" and present it to the person at the museum without breaking it?

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DebunkAnd what the hell is this idea that coral will not grow on gold?

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The comment was to point out the idiocy of some of the arguments used to push this idea.

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You state Now you say. forbidden=not looked on favorably?Do you truly believe these say the same things? Or did you think the unsourced crap you threw out there would not be questioned?Buz,
A bit of advice. You need to look at your sources critically. There are a lot of lies and misrepresentations on a lot of web sites. Christian fundie sites are among the worst. You should probably double check before you use any of them as a source. Also, you might want to consider giving sources for this bilge too.

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Please point out the obfuscation. If you are going to claim something back it up.

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As others have shown there is no evidence. Just assertions.Buz- Where is the chariot wheel? Where are others? Show the mountain was burned with supernatural fire.

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Could you give the link to this? I am going to download some maps of the gulf of aqaba as soon as I remember my PayPal password.Edited by Theodoric, : db codes

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