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Author Topic:   Evidence for the Biblical Record
lyx2no
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Message 8 of 348 (550311)
03-14-2010 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by ICANT
03-14-2010 3:39 PM


Re: For the sake of sanity.
I created the Heavens and the Earth.
The evidence:
The heavens and the Earth exist.
P.S. And I didn't make it out of positrons. One more point for me.

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Message 13 of 348 (550328)
03-14-2010 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by ICANT
03-14-2010 4:25 PM


Trivialities
I would think science would disagree with you creating the heaven and the earth in your lifetime.
I would certainly hope so; however, it is not science's judgement on the table but yours. You present a glib response to the OP as if it were meaningful. It's devastated in an equally glib but thoroughly meaningful fashion. Yet you go on your marry way as if you've added something to the conversation.
Please, ICANT, put forward a real challenge rather then rhetoric. Do you have anything that positively establishes one of the many controversial claims of the Bible? I gladly conceded that you have evidence of the place called Egypt, but do you have any evidence that man did exist in the evening of a day in which he did not exist in the morning?
If you created it you did create positrons as they exist also.
This is simply deflection. Here it doesn't matter. It's all in fun. But you use this kind of tactic in most of your arguments.
I am glad we have found one thing we can agree on and that is that the heavens and the earth exist.
I'm sure we agree on lots of things, but what fun would it be if we sang the same tune?

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Message 37 of 348 (550481)
03-15-2010 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Peg
03-15-2010 6:42 PM


Re: For the sake of sanity.
Hi Peg
I'm fairly sure that everyone will concede that there were people and towns in the olden days. It's the magic acts that need confirmation. Do you have any evidence for them?

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Message 58 of 348 (550519)
03-16-2010 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Peg
03-15-2010 7:15 PM


Re: For the sake of sanity.
But its the testimonial evidence of eye witnesses that convince me of their truthfulness.
Eye witness testimony is about as bad as one can get in the evidence department. People are prone to erring and lying. Especially when they've a dog in the fight.
The fact that the bible is a book of truth, of reliable history, of accurate prophecy
The Bible says π=3, twice. Your Bible is also a book of errors.
The Bible reports a world engulfing floods 4350 years ago. Your Bible is also a book of speciousness.
The Bible prophecies, "[T]here are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." Your Bible is also a book of vageries.
Tell me, Peg, what is the next prophecy that will come to pass? An accurate prophecy surely would allow us to gain a useful knowledge of what is going to be before it happens. I'll prophecy that there will be a auto accident in Melbourne tomorrow. Hadn't you better get out and warn all your neighbors to be careful? It's certainly as accurate as any biblical prophecy.
King Nebbercheckers of Peoria flew a magic unicorn to his home on Pluto. Which part of that statement is supported if we find out there really was a king of Peoria whose name had 14 letters in it, Peg?

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Message 121 of 348 (550738)
03-17-2010 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Buzsaw
03-17-2010 10:55 AM


Ears Wide Open
Claim: All living things evolved from one organism.
As you use this as an argument for balanced treatment of the evidence I'll demolish it for you.
This is a straw man: there is no claim that all living things evolved from one organism. It is a well supported speculation. Claims and speculations are different matters. The speculation could also be described as a prediction of evolution, though not a necessary one.
Before the discovery of DNA and radioisotope dating the speculation was supported by an understanding of the mechanics of evolution, geological superposition and observations of the fossil record.
Survival of the fittest, though not an absolute, tends to drive less able forms into extinction. If there were dozens, thousands or billions of methods of protolife those methods most efficient at gathering and utilizing the limited resources would push out those forms less able. It is not a reach to speculate that by the time protolife became life there wouldn't be a lot of competitors left standing, but it would be a long shot to call it a shoe in.
Superposition is a reliable comparator of relative age: lower layers are older layers. Events that leave a geologic record can be ordered in time.
No anthropoids are found below a certain level. However, primates are. No primates are found below a certain level. However. mammals are. No mammals are found below a certain level. However, chordates are. No chordates are found below a certain level. However, metazoa are. No metazoa are found below a certain level, However eukarya are. No eukarya are found below a certain level. However, prokaryotes are. No prokaryotes are found below a certain level. However, protobionts are. Life seems to become more limited in types as we go back in time.
With the discovery of radioisotope dating we confirmed superposition as if it needed it and extended it with absolute dating. Not only could we say this is older than that, but this is of this age and that is of that age to within a few percent.
With the discovery of DNA there was a good chance that our speculation that life arose form a single original organism could easily have been shown to be wrong. But that didn't happen. Instead, The degree of certainty of the speculation was greatly heightened; almost assured. All life on Earth uses the same DNA or its simpler, near cousin RNA. The hard teased relationships between vitae were confirmed with comparative ease. Some details change, but the big picture stayed the same.
No one is betting the farm that all life came from a single ancestor. Though that has more to do with its not being important enough to pin down yet. Evolution isn't reliant upon its answer, and abiogenesis is not far enough along in its studies to worry about it much. It only stands as a curiosity.
SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE!
Why would you ask for the evidence for something that you've not the patients or care to sit through?
I gave no evidence for any of the above. Its all a story. So what is the difference between my story and yours? My story was derived from the observations, and your observations were derived from the story. More then once you've been given the evidence for my story. Scratching a few names off the members list would suffice to tell you by whom. You don't care. You don't listen. As they painstakingly provide demonstrable detail after detail, you're developing worthless 'what ifs' instead.
Here you've told a story. Now supply the evidence for any of it being true. That a coral superficially resembles a wheel is not evidence. Examine it and see if it is a wheel. Then if it's a 3000 year old wheel. That a dark rock superficially resembles burnt rock is not evidence. Examine it and see if it is burnt rock. Then if it's 3000 year old burnt rock. Now that you've done those things you've evidence that wheels were lost and rocks were burned 3,000 year ago. Now work on how and why.
We have the patients and the desire to hear the evidence, Buz.
It is not time to move on. Moving on is why you haven't gotten the last bit right.

You are now a million miles away from where you were in space-time when you started reading this sentence.

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lyx2no
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Message 133 of 348 (550758)
03-17-2010 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by cavediver
03-17-2010 8:11 PM


Chews Bettor
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Edited by lyx2no, : Ad moor.
Edited by lyx2no, : Won moor.

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lyx2no
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Message 147 of 348 (550854)
03-18-2010 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Buzsaw
03-17-2010 10:52 PM


Observations as Evidence
You say yours was derived from the observations. Tell me, what did the 2nd organism look like? the third? the fourth?.........the 100th?, the 1000th? the ........the.......the......the.......the first living land crawler? the first macro evolved specie eminating from it, etc,? Who observed them?
You said you introduced this argument because you wanted to show that your evidence was not being treated in the same way as ours. That makes all this irrelevant, Buz. Unless you're claiming you have Moses' pedometer readings and compass headings, the vin numbers and maintenance records of the Pharaoh's chariots, and the accounts receivable for Taba Heights Marriott Beach Resort‎.
You don't have anything like that, do you? No. You have a default position.
  • They don't not resemble what I'd imagine a coral covered chariot wheel to look like; therefore, they are chariot wheels.
  • We can't access the markings on the columns; therefore, they implicate Moses.
  • There is a fort. Armies use forts. Pharaoh's Army is an army; therefore it's Pharaoh's fort.
  • A return surge could scour away a shallow bottom; therefore, a return surge did scour away a shallow bottom.
I could go on to assimilate the others, but crap has a low critical angle of repose, Buz, and one can never make a mountain of it.
Skip the distractions and get back to your argument.

You are now a million miles away from where you were in space-time when you started reading this sentence.

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