Evidence for the Biblical Record

Well, seeing as he is from "A vast, undifferentiated plane". I'd say the normal flow of time has no effect on him. Now, pay him the respects your creator deserves! Or burn in hell!

The first bit about Joseph: They just assert that Joseph = Imhotep, and then assert a whole lot more things about what Joseph did in Egypt. They show no evidence for any of this.Then about Moses: They assert his adopted mother was Hatshepsut, and that his name was Senmut. His adult name (yeah, a name change, sure) is supposed to be Thutmoses II. Evidence for Moses being Thutmoses II is supposed to be his "hebrew shaped nose". Again, no evidence whasoever. Lots of other unevdienced assertions follow.Before we get to the actual crossing, speculation about the route the isrealites supposedly took. No evidence that they actually took this route presented. Also, we get some talk about a supposed egyptian fort that was supposed to have stood there. A structure is shown, but no evidence for the claim that this was an Egyptian fort. Some assertions are made about where the pillar of clouds was and went.We see "an amazing marker", a pillar that had once fallen over, but is now resurrected again. This is the pillar that marks the point of crossing, or so we are told. But, you guessed it, no evidence is provided. We are told a "matching column" is on the other side. We never see this pillar, though. They do sneakily show some footage of the same pillar, as if to try to fool the audience. Very dishonest. We get told about inscriptions on the "other" pillar. We of course are never shown these inscriptions. The inscriptions on the "Egyptian pillar" were removed by Egyptians, or so we are told. Nowhere is this shown to be the case. They use Google Earth to zoom in on the pillar on the "Egyptian" side. Of course, they never zoom in to the "other pillar".The first underwater picture is shown, this is supposed to be a chariot wheel with three of its four spokes. It looks like a rock to me. Proof that it's a chariot wheel? 90 degree angles, which proves it's a man made structure. Of course, the angles aren't 90 degrees. We are told that using metal detectors, divers have found metal in the "hubs that were found". We are neither shown these hubs, nor shown any evidence that they in fact contain iron. We see more weird shapes that are supposed to be chariot wheels. We are told Wyatt has found many artefacts here. We are not shown any. Formations are shown that "could have once been a chariot cab", seems even the makers of the film aren't too sure about what it is. Another choral with a drawing of a chariot wheel imposed upon it is shown. It doesn't even come close. We are shown a "shrunken hoof" and a femur covered in coral, some more bones are shown. Yes, I'm sure nothing ever drowned there, except when the exodus happened. Some more "chariot wheels". The premier find, is a gold veneer. We are shown something shiny in the water. Curiously, this isn't covered in coral. Everything else in the film is.And that kinda concludes the video. Wow, that's the best you can come up with? I want my 45 minutes back.

All nice and dandy, Buz, but where's the evidence they took this route? What check? I don't dispute they found a pillar, I dispute it is of significance. They show no evidence of this pillar being what they claim it is. They simply assert it. Not in the film he doesn't. No evidence whatsoever is shown. There is however done a lot of asserting. It would be nice if they'd show any then. No, science begins with evidence. There is absolutely no evidence presented for any assertion made in the film. No evidence that Imhotep = Joseph, no evidence that Moses = Senmut = Thutmose II, no evidence for the route, no evidence for the fort, no evidence for the pillar, and so on. And once again, not a shred of evidence is presented in the film, there are only assertions. The best example of this is the choral. They say they are chariot wheels, they don't provide any evidence for that claim though. And that's generally the theme throughout the film.

Now I remember! Hatshepsut is the one that had that huge ass temple built, isn't she? I should have caught that one, having some interest in ancient egypt. I should've recognized the names.Thanks for the info!

So, even you, who is one of their staunchest proponents, haven't actually seen the evidence fo their claims? How do you think to convince anyone else then? More assertions without evidence. How do you know it is because of a fire, how do you know this fire was supernatural, how do you know it penetrated into the rock? Any evidence for any of these claims? What other evidence, you haven't shown any.

Not to mention had a very large part of its army (or was it the entire army?), and its Pharaoh killed. What do you think neigbouring countries, knowing the wealth of Egypt would've done at this time? Invade of course, and take over. Curiously, that didn't happen. I wonder why....

Anything can be made to coroborate when told centuries after the fact and using observations from the time of telling, like Greyseal pointed out. Again, what evidence? So far all I've seen is assertions. Point me to something here Buz. And the evidence that any of this was the actual site where this happens is? I want evidence Buz, not your assertion that this must be the site, because it fits the story so well. Is this the only site that fits the story? Apparently not, many have been offered. Why is this one the real deal? Because you assert it is? Where is the evidence for this? This is the second time I ask you. You say it "could likely have been" been burned. So, it's also possible it wasn't? In other words, you don't know? Then why insist this is the case? By supernatural fire no less, that penetrated the ground, you assert. Is there anything about this that you can show any evidence for? Evidence? What evidence? Assertion is not evidence. There isn't even a bathtub to contain it all in. What's that got to do with anything? I'm also a gravitationist, and a germist and a... Oh you know, anything that has evidence for it. Unlike your assertions. I don' t suppose you have any evidence for this assertion either? You don't even have that. You have assertions, and that's it. 1) We're working on it. 2) That's off topic here, and has nothing to do with the fact of the exodus happening or not. So does all the evidence for abiogenesis. In fact, as we can demostrate all the claims made so far about abiogenesis, I'd say it's a lot stronger then your assertions. Then show me some. Come on, show me a chariot wheel being lifted from the sea, show me it being tested and found to match the wheels from the 18th dynasty. Show me Moses = Senmut = Thutmose II, show me the fort is an actual Egyptian fort, show me the "other pillar" with inscriptions. Show me anything at all. Then where is it? Where are their reports, where are their studies, what tests were done, where was it peer reviewed? Anything, anything at all?

Those maps looked familliar to me, so I searched the video again, and sure enough, there it was, the same map, used in the videa, showing the depth to be more then 800 metres! Cant' believe I missed that the first time!Here's a screenshot I took, the numbers should be readable when you enlarge it (it's taken at a very high resolution ) (I put in the name "NUWEIBA", to make it more clear): Damn, these guys are stupid!

Guess, I'll have to ask again, hopefully not in vain this time. Do you have any evidence for this? Where are the tests run to show this happens?

But that's just it Buz. You haven't cited any evidence! You have cited a route you say they took, but didn;t provide any evidence they took it. You cited the video I watched and wrote that little piece about as evidence, but absolutely nothing in there was actually corroborated with any evidence at all.I guess I'll better make this very clear: Where is the evidence? Why do you keep bringing this up? It has nothing to do with the topic.

Check. While I'm sure there will be a lot to see there, why should I do this? You haven't done this, and you're convinced. So, what evidence convinced you? Remember, asserting is not evidence. Nice Buz, very nice.... Again, why should I? I'm not gonna find anything there. At least, nothing you have provided me here is filling me with high hopes. I'd rather spend my money on more useful stuff. I'm sure there are bulls there. What I dispute is that they were carved there during the exodus. Any evidence for that? Again, while I'm pretty sure many amazing and beatiful things can be seen there, I'm not going to spend my money on doing the research that was already done and didn't turn up anything at all. If there really is compelling evidence, how hard is it for you to point to it and say: "There it is, this is hard evidence that the exodus happened!". You haven't done any of this, however. You have cited some things the route should have, if it were to fullfill the criteria of the story. Ok, fine, I'll grant you that, the route does. This is completely irrelevant however! The route can match it perfectly, does this mean they actually took it? NO! That is what I want evidence for, them actually taking the route!The same goes for the Pillar. You assert it was erected there by the jews. Well, show me evidence for that. Then show me evidence that it was erected because of the exodus. Show me evidence for the "other pillar", show me evidence the coral are chariot wheels.To make a long point short: SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE!

One more thing I'd like to discuss.What about the sheer amount of people involved. They number in the millions (anyone got a more or less accurate estimate?)I did some calculations, If we allow each person a 50 cm by 50 cm square to move in (which I think is way too small, but meh). And given that they would walk in columns of 100 people wide (they really couldn't have done more then that with all the canyons). At 5,000,000 people, this would make it 50 metres wide, by 25 Km long! An average walking speed is about 3-4 Km/hour, this would mean that when the first ones stopped to make up camp, it would take the last people to arive at this camp at least 6 hours to reach the site. At which time the first ones would have to be on the move again (remember, they are being pursued).Even at half those people (2,500,000) it would still be 12.5 Km long. That's still 4 hours before the last ones arive.That's just undoable, man.

Why do you keep deflecting to off-topic stuff? Got no evidence to show?

I would. If any evidence were actually cited. Your interpretations of prophecy are not evidence. Are you 100% sure this is what meant there? Has god told you this? It could not refer to any future event that still has to pass? This is the problem with this cited "evidence" of yours. It's just your interpretation.Care to come up with some actual evidence?

Ok. So this bit:

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And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

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Means that there will actually be a beast with seven heads and ten horns. Glad we cleared that up. Notning. Neither is there anything tho interpret when he says there will be a beast with seven heads and ten horns. It's clear that there will be a beast with seven heads and ten horns. Clearly nothing. Of course. Which is why you and Peg completely agree on what the bible says.... Oh...Wait... And how do we tell when we are to read literally (as in the beast with ten heads and seven horns part), or when we are to "interpret" (as in the unwalled city part)?