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greyseal
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Message 71 of 348 (550575)
03-16-2010 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Buzsaw
03-16-2010 12:54 PM


Re: Incessantly Denying The Evidence
Paulk and Huntard, you both miss the importance of corroboration. These observable things are all corroborating one another.
it is hardly corroboration if the story itself were concocted several centuries after it were supposed to have happened and the "facts" in the stories moulded to fit observations made during the telling.
We are being asked to believe that, during one of the most powerful times in Egypts history that an entire slave race of people (what, five million?), the trail of which would itself take decades to actually leave the country, could happen overnight, leave no evidence of either having been there OR having left, could trail through a desert region and leave NO evidence whatsoever (no wheel tracks, no middens, no graves, no campsites), and all without actually damaging the power and might of Egypt and leaving no Egyptian records either before or since, such that the story tellers cannot even tell WHEN this exodus was supposed to have happened?
Tell me, do you really believe that nothing would happen to a country that had it's crops destroyed, the firstborn children all killed, was shattered with many plagues and then, finally, had the ENTIRETY of it's worker race just up and leave?
Really?
...talk about incessantly denying the evidence.

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greyseal
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Message 103 of 348 (550655)
03-17-2010 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Huntard
03-16-2010 1:27 PM


Re: Incessantly Denying The Evidence
Not to mention had a very large part of its army (or was it the entire army?), and its Pharaoh killed. What do you think neigbouring countries, knowing the wealth of Egypt would've done at this time? Invade of course, and take over. Curiously, that didn't happen. I wonder why....
That's the thing - even if we give them a free pass on the lack of all the other evidence (and buz, no - a story is not evidence. They found Troy, but NOT because of the Iliad), there's still the burning question of how the entire slave race (that supposedly did EVERYTHING from building work to planting crops) could up and disappear, decimating the workforce, have a large part of the extant population killed outright, the rest starved to death, the army shattered and have nobody notice.
Look what happened in New Orleans, and now imagine that this happened EVERYWHERE in the united states, and that all the blue-collar workers vanished.
Now, do you think that the USA wouldn't even blink?

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greyseal
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Message 110 of 348 (550686)
03-17-2010 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Buzsaw
03-17-2010 8:17 AM


Re: Observing the Evidence.
Huntard, get a passport, go and see the route, look at the beach, hire a diver and look in the water
Wow, Buz, that "chariot wheel" is sooooo....underwhelming. It should have been childsplay to get good evidence off of something like that, but no - we get a mock-up and zero authentic pictures.
risk you life and go ashore on the other side, view the column,
you mean the one that was allegedly put up by Solomon allegedly four hundred years after the "event" - if there even was one? That column? Seriously?
look at the split rock and the water wash, check out for oasiss in the region, check out the geography as to where Midian was,
oh wow! a...rock...like, what, one like this?
oh, no wait, you meant this one
...not exactly rare, are they?
oh, I forgot. Have a look at the photographed bull inscriptions near the bottom of the burnt mountain
oh! oh! wait! this picture?
...that's a really poor picture. I wonder why, with today's digital cameras and high numbers of pixels, I'm sure i can get a better one...
yeah...that's...not what you said it was at all.
get back to us and report if the evidence is as I have described and if it matches the Biblical account. Thanks in advance, be careful to stay alive and enjoy the trip! Buz
Sadly, you got nothin'.

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greyseal
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Message 152 of 348 (550899)
03-19-2010 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by PaulK
03-19-2010 3:21 AM


Re: Buz Denies The Evidence
During the dispersement the land was desolate just as the prophets stated when in fact there was no reason for it to be desolate being that it was a good productive land when the Jews and the Caananites had it. But the prophets said it would be a desolate wasteland until the Jews returned and that it would be surrounded with hostile nations. This all happened. History is the evidence.
Hardly.
This was a self-fulfilling prophecy, at best, about the land that arabs lived on for the last 2000 years or so at least quite happily.
You'll find, if you care to look, that hardcore zionist jews from about 1850 onwards were travelling to the region and declaring it their own, causing all sorts of troubles for the administering Brits by angering the arabs.
they caused so much grief that the UK declined to further administer the region after world war 2 and pulled out when their mandate was up, an action which culminated in the six day war (after a couple of others) in 1967.
The land wasn't desolate, and expelling over 250,000 arabs from lands they'd been inhabiting will tend to make the nations around you rather hostile, yes...
I'm not saying the arabs don't carry part of the blame, but this was no magical sky-daddy restoration (the new Israel isn't even in the same place as the original), this was a calculated effort by jews - aided and abetted by extremist christians in the US and UK who wanted to bring about the end of the world.

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greyseal
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Message 184 of 348 (551122)
03-21-2010 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by Buzsaw
03-19-2010 9:36 PM


Desolate Land - empty of evidence?
It was hardly desolate, and hardly empty (if it were just desert, why would the arabs live there or care?), but this is besides the point - this thread was supposed to be about evidence for the biblical record, and I don't think you've yet shown anything that could even remotely be construed as "definite evidence".
One or two sunken "cartwheels" certainly doesn't indicate an army, and that's even IF the mock-ups are going to be believed (which I don't, those pictures are all but fake - and seriously? You think cartwheels were ever made from gold and silver in a working cart? Don't you know what gold and silver are like?)
one pillar, of dubious origin, admittedly centuries after the fact, which doesn't really prove anything but that there's a pillar...
Split rocks - like that's anything new.
and...no destruction of Egypt, no records of drought and famine, no records of plagues, no mass graves of dead first-born sons, no wheel tracks, no middens, no...nothing.

where's the evidence, Buz?


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greyseal
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Message 304 of 348 (579439)
09-04-2010 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Peg
04-03-2010 11:42 PM


Re: Denial Of The Evidence
peg writes:
The bible is a record of human history not found anywhere else
Hi Peg - I just wanted to point out that information "not found anywhere else" usually means "made up". It's corroboration which lends credence to things.
Dating, for example, is leant credence by the fact that (despite what you claimed) the many different dating mechanisms all do agree with each other to within an acceptable margin, despite utilizing different methods to get their answers.

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