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Author Topic:   Evidence for the Biblical Record
Apothecus
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Message 79 of 348 (550589)
03-16-2010 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Buzsaw
03-16-2010 8:48 AM


Re: Ahem.
Hey Buz.
ZenMonkey can correct me if I'm wrong, but since he hasn't responded to your post, perhaps I can attempt to clarify his what I think his position may be.
I believe he's referring not to evidence (or lack thereof) for the actual Red Sea crossing, but for evidence (or lack thereof) for a large number of Hebrews inhabiting what would be, for all intents and purposes, a large chunk of Egypt for 400-odd years. Should we not find some trinket, pottery, etc. unique to the ancient Israelites in some area of Egypt, if a unique people occupied a certain area for this long? Should there not be some record of this captivity in Egyptian records of the day? Should there not be some Egyptian cultural influence on the culture of their captives? Something? Anything?
I think he's drawing the parallel to what we should find (and do, in many cases) if a large group of non-native peoples (aka Norsemen) occupies an area not intrinsic to that people's culture.
Although up to the present no direct archaeological evidence has been found of Israel's sojourn in Egypt...
Sojourn
(In light of full disclosure, lest I'm accused of quotemining, the website goes on to discuss why, especially in the absence of such evidence, we must, therefore, believe the exodus is a factual event. )
Have a good one.
{abe: If my representation of ZenMonkey's innermost thoughts reveals my failures as a psychic, then I present this as my own original question. }
Edited by Apothecus, : psychic failings

"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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Apothecus
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Message 98 of 348 (550646)
03-16-2010 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Buzsaw
03-16-2010 9:19 PM


Re: Heaps of Jeeps.
Hey there, Buz.
I may be mistaken but I don't think there were thousands of chariots.
So what, a few hundred then? Up to a thousand?
What you're saying (correct me if I'm wrong) in this latest "perhaps" of yours is that Egypt sent a modest military force in pursuit of a group of people numbering in the millions? I'll allow that men of fighting age would maybe have accounted for 1/4 of this total, and that they (I'm being generous to you here, Buz) were possibly armed with little more than clubs.
You're saying that (I'm admittedly pulling these numbers out of my arse) 250,000 able bodied Isrealite men ... no, I'll even drop this to 100,000 able bodied Isrealite men just to keep you honest ... would have been pursued all the way from Egypt by some token Egyptian force who intended to ... what? It's not like there were WMDs back then, Buz (excluding magical floods, that is). Fighting was hand-to-hand. Do you really think a few hundred chariots could carry enough piercing weapons for this many Isrealites? Would not they have fought back, and with overwhelming numbers? Would not the well-trained Egyptian forces have recognized this?
I realize you say "I may be mistaken, but..." but if by this you mean "I made this up sitting right here at my desk", I'm going to have to call bullshit on you, here.

"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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Apothecus
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Posts: 275
From: CA USA
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Message 118 of 348 (550722)
03-17-2010 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Buzsaw
03-16-2010 11:55 PM


Re: Heaps of Jeeps.
Apothecus writes:
I realize you say "I may be mistaken, but..." but if by this you mean "I made this up sitting right here at my desk", I'm going to have to call bullshit on you, here.
The topic title calls for evidence, Apothecus. Do what you want with the evidence which I've cited. We could debate the unknowns till the cows come home, just as with the alleged singularity of the BB, abiogenesis and that stuff.
Thank you, Buz, for that well-reasoned and thought provoking response to the questions I asked (which were all on-topic, BTW, in stark contrast to your various continued red-herrings).
Maybe the next time I have the urge to construct a thoughtful response to one of your inane posts, I'll just kick myself in the jimmy instead of wasting my time.

"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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Apothecus
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Posts: 275
From: CA USA
Joined: 01-05-2010


Message 189 of 348 (551202)
03-21-2010 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Buzsaw
03-19-2010 9:30 PM


Re: Denial Of The Evidence
buz writes:
Huntard, it's like any history book or text book. For the most part, there's nothing to interpret. You read the words and they mean what they say.
You mean like this:
buz writes:
9 And from among the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations do men look upon their dead bodies three days and a half, and suffer not their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb.
...refers to modern day television?
For pete's sake, Buz, even Peg shot you down on that one. Peg! Admit, please, that interpretation is in the eye of the beholder and let's be done with this rot.
Sheesh.

"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

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