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Author Topic:   Oppression in College Classrooms
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Message 4 of 44 (550381)
03-15-2010 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Meldinoor
03-14-2010 3:56 PM


Meldinoor writes:
The video basically claims that college professors often ridicule and disriminate against students who have a religious (at least, Christian) background.
I have been hearing this charge for decades. As best I can tell, it is an example of the big lie.
Personally, I have never come across anything like that.
Undergrad: at University of Western Australia (including a biology class).
Grad school: Yale (mathematics).
General comments:
  • Would biology teachers get into religion? I doubt that they would want to, but if a student raised a question about creationism, they would respond. Most would probably just comment about the scientific method, and about why creationism is not science.
  • If a student challenged a teacher over creationism, would the teacher belittle the student's religion - some probably would.
I do see a hidden message in that video. The hidden message is that evangelical Christians are feeble minded idiots who are unable to think for themselves and unable to defend their beliefs, and who thus need to be protected by pre-indoctrination before they go to college.

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Message 7 of 44 (550403)
03-15-2010 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by slevesque
03-15-2010 11:59 AM


The url for the video
slevesque
I can't figure out how to get them in a bigger screen other then downloading them, but the dowloaded files show no image, just sound
Try this link (for the first video).
I am using firefox with noscript. The video is blocked by "noscript", but you can right click on it and copy the link. Once you allow scripts for that site, you lose the ability to right click and get the link.

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Message 11 of 44 (550420)
03-15-2010 1:44 PM
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03-15-2010 1:38 PM


Re: The url for the video
slevesque writes:
I suck so bad on a computer ...
More correctly, the video sucks.

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Message 18 of 44 (550443)
03-15-2010 4:12 PM
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03-15-2010 3:28 PM


Meldinoor writes:
But it is not a science teacher's place to remark upon religion during class.
I agree. But some would, if sufficiently provoked. That's human nature.
It actually seems to be true that biologists are more likely to be atheists than are scientists in most other disciplines. But that does not seem to be because of any attempt to indoctrinate them into atheism (if that is even possible). Rather, it is because biologists see first hand, the cruelty of nature. And they find that cruelty hard to square with what they had been taught about a loving God.

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nwr
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Message 36 of 44 (550549)
03-16-2010 9:24 AM
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03-16-2010 12:40 AM


Re: Shoddy theology?
Coyote writes:
Perhaps, as Heinlein said, theology is like looking in a coal cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there?
No, that would be religion. Theology is actually finding that cat (even though it still isn't there).

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Message 37 of 44 (550551)
03-16-2010 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Minnemooseus
03-16-2010 12:59 AM


Re: Side-note: What's "on-topic" in a class
Minnemooseus writes:
Side-note: What's "on-topic" in a class
Generally speaking, that is up to the faculty (the teacher of that particular class).
If the campus administration comes up with rules about what is on-topic, you will see protests about academic freedom.
On the other hand, if a teacher abuses that academic freedom (and gratuitous discussion of religion or politics in class would be such an abuse), he will quick learn that academic freedom does not amount to academic license.
In practice, most faculty are pretty responsible, and do want to discuss the topics of their own discipline without being distracted into religion and politics.

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