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AZPaul3
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Message 43 of 94 (551473)
03-22-2010 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by New Cat's Eye
03-22-2010 5:47 PM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Well Holy F. Ghost, I didn't know that! As we live and learn.
I love this place.

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Message 47 of 94 (551486)
03-22-2010 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 9:20 PM


Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!
... blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Your christian intolerance is showing again.
Since your religion means nothing do you really think a charge of blasphemy holds any sway?
Since in this secular society you christians cannot burn us and eat us as you would want do you really think any of us care what blasphemies you and your gods define?
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 55 of 94 (551507)
03-22-2010 11:46 PM
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03-22-2010 11:22 PM


Re: Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!
Paul, hell and judgement and condemnation belong to God. I have neither judged or condemned anyone nor have I defined blasphemy.
Thus I ask again.
quote:
Since in this secular society you christians cannot burn us and eat us as you would want do you really think any of us care what blasphemies you and your gods define?

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AZPaul3
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Message 62 of 94 (551519)
03-23-2010 12:16 AM
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03-22-2010 11:54 PM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Allah is the only known or acknowledged proper name of the Muslim god where as the generic term, "god" is the adjective defining what/who Allah is.
My Allah, man. Did you not comprehend Dr. A's message 37 and 40 above? I can confirm his information.
"Allah" is a noun, not a "proper name." In Arabic it is the only noun for God and is used throughout the Arab world by all the Abrahamic religions including Christians to refer to the Allah of Abraham which is the only Allah Christians, Jews and Moslems believe in.
Good Allah man. Get ye some education and stop looking like such a fool!

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AZPaul3
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Message 85 of 94 (551818)
03-24-2010 11:26 AM
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03-24-2010 8:50 AM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
So when your bible says "Then God said let there be light!" it could have been referring to Brahman?
Does this mean each place in your bible where "God" is used is referring to a panoply of different deities in each use?
Are you a polytheist now?
Interesting.

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AZPaul3
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Message 90 of 94 (551878)
03-24-2010 11:42 PM
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03-24-2010 8:53 PM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
One reason there is so much misunderstanding about this is that the Jews of the last few centuries BC had a superstition that the YHWH/Yahweh, god's name was not to be spoken or written, contrary to the fact that Jehovah forbade the scribes to alter any scripture. Unfortunately the majority of translators have carried this superstition
I think you were right the first time, Buz. When your bible refers to God it can refer to any number of deities.
Since Genesis was written or re-written, depending upon whether we are talking of Genesis 2 or Genesis 1, during the exile in Babylon we can assume the overarching culture of the time had a major influence on the order and powers of the various gods within the text.
Since Anu was the chief god of Babylon, god of the highest heaven, his invocation would, of course, be the most prominent and thus placed first. Following then would most probably be the major designing or area gods such as Anshar (god of the heavens), Kishar (god of earth), Shamash (sun and justice), Enlil (weather and storms) and on and on.
So, under your new scheme of things Buz we would have:
In the beginning God (Anu) created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was
upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (Anshar) moved upon
the face of the waters.
And God (Kishar) said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God (Shamash) saw the light, that it was good: and God (Enlil) divided the
light from the darkness.
How far do we have to go before the Brahman is evoked? Would Jupiter be a separate invocation from Zeus or would the one cover the other. Zeus first in either case, of course.
I think you have really hit on something here, Buz.
Oh, and by the way, Buz ol' bean, the crescent moon is definitely not a moslem accepted symbol for Islam.
During the rise of the Ottoman Empire. The Caliph Osman (emperor to you westerners), after his conquest of Constantinople in 1453, had a dream of a crescent moon stretching from one end of the earth to the other. He adopted it as the symbol of his dynasty. Islam has no symbol and moslems reject the crescent moon with or without star as an Islamic symbol.
It is strictly a European christian invention of the period since the Ottoman Empire was almost exclusively Islamic and thus the enemy of one of your gods (whichever one you want to invoke this round). As usual with christians the facts of the situation meant, and apparently still mean, nothing.
And before you go get all apoplectic, the use of the symbol on various modern flags is an Ottoman influence, not an Islamic one. After all, the remnants of the Ottomans did not fade away until just after WWI.
Edited by AZPaul3, : corrections.
Edited by AZPaul3, : spelin
Edited by AZPaul3, : Let's just say more edits and let it go at that.
Edited by AZPaul3, : Don't ask.

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