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Author Topic:   Health care reform almost at the finish line... correction: it's finished
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Message 13 of 174 (550798)
03-18-2010 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Hyroglyphx
03-18-2010 9:28 AM


Re: Educated decisions on health reform
The Bill is over 1,000-pages of pure bureaucracy. The Bill is pure legalese, which is absolutely boring. But it is necessary, nonetheless.
Just as a form of comparison - the Canada Health Care Act,which established 100%, universal, single-payer health care in Canada in a system which has been functioning very well without bankrupting that nation...
...was 14 whole pages long. Fourteen. Around 1% of the length of the US bill.
Just saying. I'm not entirely sure we need to have a bill that's so long and complicated, when others have manage to achieve the same goals (reigning in health care costs and ensuring everyone can be covered without bankrupting the nation) without a bill so long and complicated.
Of course, length has nothing to do with content, excepting that there is more of it, so I'm not necessarily opposed to this bill just because it's long. It just suggests to me that all of the Democratic spinelessness and filibuster-avoidance horse trading may have resulted in what the software industry calls "feature creep," where your product is designed by committee and winds up trying to do too much in too complicated a way, resulting in being woefully inefficient if it works at all.

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Message 18 of 174 (550806)
03-18-2010 12:44 PM
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03-17-2010 11:16 PM


My thoughts...
So - here is a quick summary of the major points of the bill.
1) everyone will be forced to be insured, whether from an employer or purchasing it themselves. However, the deadline is 2014. The penalty for not being covered by that date is $750, or 2% of your total income, whichever is greater. Exemptions will be made for the extremely poor based on the poverty line.
This is in effect a giant handout to the insurance companies, but at the same time it's necessary to reign in costs. Face it - health care has to be paid for, either through a tax increase or having everyone pay for it themselves. Personally, I;d rather just pay what I currently do in premiums and copays to the government in return for a health care card that lets me go to any hospital and get care without worrying over money at all like what Canada has, but this is basically an ultra-decentralized health care model.
Biggest downside to those already covered? We'll still have to worry about copays and all the other nonsense that comes with health insurance, so once again people will put off going to the doctor even while covered because they can;t afford $30 for the visit and another $30 for every medication prescribed on top of their monthly premium.
Possible upside? Universal buy-in should lower overall premium costs by increasing the risk pool. This is only a possibility though - the insurance companies could just sit back and rake in the profits of a better risk pool for them without lowering costs.
Worst downside? Calibrating exemptions by the poverty line. Let's face it - "poverty" isn't the same in every state, and when you're just above the limit of an exemption, you're going to be in the uncomfortable position of possibly not being able to afford insurance, but not being eligible for the exemption. It's not unlike Welfare or unemployment insurance, where there will actually be a downside to improving your situation within a small range of income. Specifically, if you make between 100% and 400% above the poverty level, you'll get "credits," basically a government subsidy to help pay for coverage. At the lowest income levels, you'll likely just get free care from the government. It's not perfect, but it looks good.
2) Minimum benefits, and a consumer protection system. This is necessary. Our current system allows companies to make exceptions in coverage, and this will hopefully close those gaps so that no matter what illness or injury befalls you, you won't be alone. There will be no more $250,000 lifetime limits on total coverage (which means anyone with cancer, HIV, or any other serious illness will be safe, where currently they're screwed after a certain amount of time). No more "pre-existing conditions" exceptions, which is absolutely necessary.
This is the good stuff, frankly. Right now we don't just have a problem where people aren't paying for coverage, or even that they aren't able to pay for coverage - right now, we have a system where people can simply be denied coverage regardless of ability or willingness to pay just because they're already sick. This closes that loophole...but I don't know what the policy is on how much the insurance companies can charge someone with a serious illness. This is pretty ineffectual if they are allowed to increase premiums by 500% for the people who need coverage the most.
3) No public option...but there is a state based "insurance exchange" for those not already covered by an employer.
Possibly good. Pooling resources and establishing a highly regulated market lets the people dictate their own coverage to a degree. TO participate in the pools (which will likely be the only plans used by individuals except the ultra-rich), the insurance company will be forced to use most of their premiums on actual coverage (the article says around 80%). You can't participate in the pools if you already get insurance from an employer, but that's not such a big deal. We could even hit the jackpot with the ability for the pools to negotiate lower drug costs and other such concessions. An individual has no position for bargaining, but a large pool of consumers has the ability to make demands.
4) Medicare efficiency increases.
That's nice. Good for the budget. Specifically rules out rationaing of care for the elderly - so none of Palin's absurd "death panels" here.
5) Employers with more than 50 employees provide coverage or pay a fine of $750 per employee. Less than 50 employees and they don;t need to provide coverage. They'll also get a tax credit (beginning at up to 35% of the money spent on coverage, up to 50% in 2014). It's a reasonable incentive, a good carrot and a reasonable stick. Small employers would also be able to join together to purchase combined plans, meaning even the small businesses can group together and form a pool large enough to actually negotiate rates with the insurance companies.
I'd say that's very reasonable for small employers, and it should help cover more people for less. Thumbs up.
6) Medicaid expansion. Medicaid will cover all individuals under 65 who make less than 133% of the poverty level. Basically, for a family of three, that means that you have to make less than $24,000 yearly to qualify.
That's definitely a boost for the poorest Americans, because if you're making that little money in most places in the country, you're in serious trouble.
7) Funding. For plans costing $8500 for individuals or $23,000 for families, you'll pay a hefty 40% extra tax on any premiums over that amount. There are also taxes on pharmaceutical companies, medical suppliers, and the insurers themselves. Overall projection? Reduce the deficit by around $100 billion in teh first 10 years, and over $700 billion for the ten years after that. Note - that's not a cost, that's a savings. That's a pretty sweet deal if it goes as planned.
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My overall opinion? Mixed feelings. It's a bandaid on what I think is a compeltely broken system...but then, it is a pretty good bandaid.
I think it's far more complicated than necessary. I think that it doesn't address a single thing in the health care industry itself with how they determine costs and fees. I think that,. just like fire or police protection, health care coverage doesn't work well with a "market-driven" model because of the inherent lack of choice. You can't choose to simply not call the fire department because you can't afford it; in the same way, you can't choose to just ignore appendicitis or cancer or HIV or a broken leg. Prices in teh health care industry are already not tied to supply and demand, and most of us get out insurance through our employers - meaning we don't get to choose among competing insurers, either. Just like there are some things that the private sector excels at, there are also things that it does not, and where public control is required. We already use public funding and regulation for fire, police, roads, etc. Health care is one of those public welfare necessities - it's the reason every other developed nation in teh world already has a universal coverage plan.
I don't think it lowers costs as much as it could. I say this only because of how much more Americans spend per capita on coverage (without even covering everybody, it gets far worse if you only include those actually covered in that number) than anyone else, without an increase in quality of care (with the exception of the wealthy who can solve their problems with money, we actually get less quality of care than other nations see). I think that once again we're trying to do it "the American way" rather than looking at already-established successful examples in other countries, including ones that are extremely similar to the US.
My ideal would be the Canadian system - single payer, no premiums or copays, just show your card and you're good. To those who complain about waiting lists, I challenge them to try to get an MRI done today. Or even see their personal physician in a metropolitan area without waiting. The fact is, every system has waiting lists simply because there are (gasp!) more patients than doctors and facilities. By and large, this is not a bad thing, because most health care needs are not urgent. And the issues we do have where people with severe injuries are made to wait are caused by overloaded emergency rooms - which themselves are caused by people without coverage who have no other choice but the ER for every concern. Universal coverage with no patient-level concerns over payment allows the system to triage according to available resources and urgency of need, like it should be, and increases the overall quality of care for everyone.
I could be said to "oppose" this bill because it's quite obviously not even close to what I want. But I do think it will improve over the system we have now.
It's just that you can be better than shit, and still be crap.

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Message 23 of 174 (550844)
03-18-2010 7:06 PM
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03-18-2010 6:44 PM


Re: My thoughts...
Did you really expect anything better given that republicans have been nothing but obstructionists?
Some of the Dems have been just as bad, or worse. Don't forget the Filibuster garbage - and horse trading over important issues has been going all around, just because they could.
Let's face it - a single payer option was a non-starter in our Congress...from both sides. Only the really liberal Dems would support that.
It's definitely not what I want, but it's about the best I expected. We're basically just treating the symptoms rather than the disease by trying to force a private industry to function as a public service.
Let's face it: at the end of the day, an insurance company has only one incentive, and that's to make money. They make money by receiving the most premiums possible while paying out the fewest benefits. The healthcare industry, for all of the good intentions of those who work in it, is inherently flawed in that its basic metric is profit rather than the health and welfare of those it serves.
I'm not against profit - I like making money as much as the next guy. But liek I said earlier, a profit-driven private industry does not function well in certain roles, just as public services don't work for everything.
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Message 25 of 174 (550846)
03-18-2010 7:10 PM
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03-18-2010 7:06 PM


Re: My thoughts...
Supposedly the state programs are not being affected. Realistically,I;d expect them to be a large part of whaever "public insurance pools" are set up. But the system in any given state will be determined locally; this bill just sets the big-picture requirements for every healthcare provider, and mandates that everyone pay into the system.
Seriously - taxes would have been more efficient than just requiring everyone to pay an insurance company, and would let the government deal with regulation much more directly. But no, we have to be obsessed with "the market" and leave it to private businesses even in an industry where market forces are raped sideways with a rusty hacksaw...

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Message 29 of 174 (550850)
03-18-2010 7:44 PM
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03-18-2010 7:19 PM


Re: My thoughts...
I mentioned this to our in-house Union electrician. At the time, I didn't know much (much less than I do now thanks to you) and his response was that he liked his plan (it seemed like a good one to me too) so he didn't like the idea of his taxes going up to pay for other people. The same response was had from another conservative I work with.
I somewhat think the same thing (albeit, admittedly i am not knowledgable on the subject enough): we already pay 1/4 of our income to Uncle Sam in taxes, medicare, social security. How much would we have had to raise them to pay for insurance?
Except that the point is to stop paying premiums altogether, and pay that money in taxes instead. The net effect to Joe Schmo who gets his insurance from work is financially nil - he's just paying it in taxes and can't opt out any more.
A tax increase does not have to be a cost of living increase if the taxes balance a reduction in private spending.

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Message 30 of 174 (550851)
03-18-2010 7:46 PM
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03-18-2010 7:35 PM


Re: Educated decisions on health reform
One thing to ask yourself is this: Congress currently has the greatest health care plan in existence. One, why don't they give that to all of us
You're against expanding the defecit and government control, but you propose this, which is in itself government run healthcare that will cost billions.
You realize your positions are directly contradictory, right?
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and two, conversely, are they willing to give that up and take the health care plan that they are about to pass???
...Did you even read anything about the plan? The Bill does not set up any plan for them to take up. All it does is establish minimum coverage and require all insurers to accept pre-existing conditions. Oh sure, it does other things, too - but it only improves existing plans, it doesn;t take a damned thing away. I'll still be on Blue Cross from my employer, no changes here.
What "plan" are you proposing Congress take in the stead of their current government funded and run plan, exactly, since the health care bill doesn't actually set up an alternative?
I think we know the answers to those questions.
Are you an idiot?
I think I know the answer to that question.
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Message 37 of 174 (550861)
03-18-2010 9:58 PM
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03-18-2010 8:52 PM


Re: Educated decisions on health reform
I know the Bill does not set up any plan for them to take up. That's my point!!! Congress is exempt from this, but none of us are! I have good health care right now, it's affordable (yes, rising in price, but affordable) so why should I HAVE to change??? They don't! That's my point.
You won't have to change. At all. That's my point. Which you'd know if you made even a cursory read of a summary of the bill, like the one I posted in this very thread.
You're just pulling out asinine conservative talking points, without having the faintest clue what you're talking about.
Which is why you're an idiot.

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Message 39 of 174 (550863)
03-18-2010 10:30 PM
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03-18-2010 10:27 PM


Re: Educated decisions on health reform
He doesn't have to change, what will happen is that employers and insurers will not offer premium insurance because of the heavy tax.
A possibility. But do the math - are even Union plans over $8500 for individuals? Mine isn't anywhere near that, and it's a decent plan.
Instead, they'll adopt the shitty, government provided health care (that's an assumption, but a reasonable one).
No it's not, because there is no government plan created by this bill. Difficult to adopt a "shitty government provided" plan when the government isn't providing anything.
Labor unions, like Flyers(since he's a cop), or teachers, nurses, construction workers, etc., are not happy about this.
Indeed, and I'm not a fan of the "cadillac" tax myself.
I am a fan of getting rid of maximum totals and the pre-existing condition nonsense.

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Message 52 of 174 (550881)
03-19-2010 12:22 AM
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03-18-2010 11:03 PM


Re: Educated decisions on health reform
What is the city going to say when Federal health care is provided for everyone? I hope I don't have to explain this to you. Oni figured it out in minutes.
As I explained to oni...there is no Federal plan.
Do you know the yearly cost of your plan, inclusive of your emloyer's contribution?
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$8500 for individuals or $23,000 for families
"Families" is any non-individual plan. My plan for myself and my dom. partner costs around $600 monthly between myself and my employer, which brings the total to $7200 - I'm still comfortably below the individual cutoff, let alone the family one. I have a pretty decent plan, though not spectacular.
Find out what your total is. I'm rather curious to know if you'll actually be affected, or if you just think you will be.

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Message 74 of 174 (550913)
03-19-2010 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Flyer75
03-19-2010 7:29 AM


Some actual numbers...
I'm not sure I understand your point on the individual/family difference. My work offers insurance to both, whether you are married or not. My cousin is a cop with me, he's single, but has an individual plan.
"Family" refers to those plans that cover more than just you within your household. For instance, I have my girlfriend on my employer's insurance as a domestic partner. Most "family" plans will be those who cover their spouse and children under the insurance from one adult's employer.
"Individual" is for those plans that only cover yourself.
Deductibles and co-pays are irrelevant. The cap is only about premiums, the amount you (and your employer, if applicable) pay per month (or paycheck) to the insurance company for coverage even if you're not using it at all.
Here's what the "family" plan entails. I pay $40 a paycheck for the family plan, it's $20 for individual plan. Also, a family plan means anybody that is married and/or children and the number of children does not matter...it's all the same whether you have 1 or 100 kids. I'm just going to continue to explain the family plan, not the individual because it's the same, the numbers just go down.
It looks like your share is far less than mine is (to be expected with Unions). Do you have any way of telling what the employer contribution is?
I just looked at my Benefits info. My premiums are a lot higher than I estimated a moment ago. Here's the details: My share in my Family coverage is roughly $200 per paycheck, so about $400 monthly. My employer pays 70%, so the total premium is around $1300 per month. This means that my total yearly premium for the purposes of the insurance cap is about $15,600. I'm very comfortably below the "family" cap of $24,000, so I won't be affected by any "Cadillac" tax. Mine is the best, most expensive plan offered by my employer (my girlfriend has a chronic illness, so I couldn't just get the low-cost version; note also that a lot of my goodwill for this bill, such as it is, comes from the fact that currently she cannot get private health insurance if she tried due to her "pre-existing condition").
In your case, Flyer, assuming you cover a spouse and/or children under your employer's insurance, your employer would need to be contributing nearly $2000 per month in premiums for you to hit the cap.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that your employer actually pays $2500 monthly for your insurance premiums. This means that your premiums would be around $30,000 per year, and puts you $6000 over the yearly cap. The "Cadillac" tax means you'd pay a 40% surtax on that $6000, so you'd pay about $2400 additional (well...more likely your employer).
Oni's argument is that this surtax will encourage employers to lower coverage, but we're talking about $2400 on top of an already absurd $30,000 per year - that's about an 8% increase. And it only affects those who already have absurdly expensive plans (remember, this is about double my real-world premiums). I'm not sure this will have the doomsday effect that Oni is predicting. In order to make that call, we need more data - specifically, we need to know the actual annual premium rate people pay to see if their plan will be affected, and if so, by how much.
I just went to Blue Cross Anthem of California and got a quickie quote for a private family plan. The most expensive plan they offer is $1063 per month in premiums for a family of 2 (I plugged in the ages for myself and my girlfriend). That would be $12,756 per year - far below the cap, and in fact less than I pay now (because I'm young, I could get insurance for less than what my employer has to pay - a 28 year old male is easier to insure than a 50 year old).
Plugging in the ages of 56 and 50 for a theoretical couple, the most expensive private plan is $1895 monthly, which works out to $22,740 per year - still below the cap.
Again, I'm choosing the absolute most expensive plans offered.
With that info, I'm not sure exactly who would be affected by the "Cadillac tax."
Flyer, if you can find the actual premium for the plan you get through your employer, that would help a lot in determining whether anyone's concerns (your or Onis) are warranted.
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For those not in the US, let me give a quick rundown of my coverage (again, the best/most expensivemy employer offers):
My "Per Family" annual deductible is $600. My coinsurance for "per family" is 10% of up to $14,000 (so if I had a crazy expensive procedure, I'd have to pay up to $1400 of it). My total annual out-of-pocket maximum is $1000 per insured, or a total of $2000 for the whole family per calendar year. I pay $20 to visit a doctor, which includes basic labs, x-rays, etc, as long as they're done in-house, not by an out-of-network 3rd party. Generic prescriptions are $5; brand name are $30 when no generic is available, $50 when a generic is available. The drug copay does not count towards the out-of-pocket maximums. I can pay less by ordering through the mail (double the co-pay, but 3x the supply).
My family's monthly out-of-pocket costs amount to roughly $400 in premiums, about $100 in medication (for my girlfriend alone, I don't take anything atm), and $20-40 for doctor's visits (again her - I'm bad, and don't go to the doctor even though I should). That's about $500-550 for a normal month where nobody has an emergency or anything.
ABE:
This makes my monthly out-of-pocket healthcare expenses my single largest monthly expenditure other than rent. It's also roughly 45% or so what I pay in State/Federal taxes. Food for thought.
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Message 78 of 174 (550928)
03-19-2010 6:56 PM
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03-19-2010 6:44 PM


Re: Some actual numbers...
And this is 2 adults, no children. So theoretically, those two adults can work and cover other expenses (I know you said your significant other has a condition, hence the hypothetical). Now factor in someone, a single father with a child. He has to cover that expense, PLUS child care, with no one else to make up the income that you would get from a spouse. Let's also think about even a couple with children. Most (not all) families will have one parent stay at home, so it's the same scenario. Sure, that $200 each payday is pre-tax. That's still a good chunk of change. I know right now I can't afford another $400 payment every month. What with 2 car payments, 5 mouths to feed, 2 car insurance payments, rent, etc. The need to reduce this cost is VITAL.
I'm not entirely sure that it's true that one parent stays home most of the time any more, Hooah.
Oh...and since shes on my insurance as a "domestic partner" and the Feds don;t recognize those for tax purposes...my share of the additional premium to cover her is deducted after taxes. And I have to pay income tax on the employer-paid portion of it as well. It's pretty absurd. She's trying for a job with the State as soon as they start hiring again. Her share of the insurance there will be far less than what we pay, and it'll be pre-tax.
How can this be seen as acceptable? Good thing you are well educated and have a good job.
I certainly don't see it as acceptable. I went without insurance for years because I couldn't afford it and still pay rent.
Even with this bill I'll still be the first to call the healthcare system in the US a steaming pile of feces. I'm very glad that we're finally going to resolve some of the problems, but again, the system is broken from its basic principles right now. It needs to be completely restructured, and that unfortunately just will not happen.

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Message 80 of 174 (550930)
03-19-2010 7:26 PM
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03-19-2010 7:09 PM


Blue Cross California and Kaiser Permanente also advertise themselves as "nonprofit" health providers.
Kaiser Permanente is the largest nonprofit health plan in the United States, based in Oakland, California and founded in 1945.
As a non-profit company, Blue Shield of California is fully committed to the members they serve. Their mission is to provide all residents of California affordable health insurance and care.
Just from quick Google searches. Something seems...off.

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Message 82 of 174 (550933)
03-19-2010 7:47 PM
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03-19-2010 7:38 PM


I've found this about my insurance. And I'm willing to concede and swallow some pride that you may know more about this then I do right now. I'm not sure if these are the numbers you are looking for or if there is another premium number I'm just not finding but according to my current statement the Annual Out of pocket maximum amounts are listed as this:
In Network Providers: $4,000
Out of Network Providers: $8,000
I just tried setting up an online account access with Anthem but something messed up and I have to make a phone call so who knows, I may not be able to find out for sure until Monday. I'll keep digging.
Out of Pocket Maximums are the maximum amount you'll be required to pay in co-insurance in a given year. Your insurance will require you to pay a percentage of the cost, but you can pay at most $4,000 in a year of total co-insurance among all of teh procedures that you receive.
So lets say you're in a horrible accident of some sort - let's say a fire, so we're talking lots of hospital attention and plenty of skin grafts and so on. Unpleasant topic, but these things happen.
You'll be required to pay a percentage of the costs of the hospital stay and surgeries, but once you hit $4,000 in a single fiscal year, you don't pay anything else - 100% of the remainder of what's covered is paid for by your insurance. You might have to pay 20% of Skin Grafts 1-3, but by #4, you're free and clear financially until the next fiscal year, when it starts over.
Unfortunately, this isn't the premium, so it's irrelevant for determining whether you'll be affected by the "Cadillac" tax.
I went through my own internal HR websites to find the info, but I know that many companies aren't as forthcoming about how much they pay vs. how much you pay.

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Message 94 of 174 (551354)
03-22-2010 1:09 PM


Better summary of the bill that was actually passed:
From Reuters:
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FACTBOX-US healthcare bill would provide immediate benefits
Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:46pm EDT
WASHINGTON, March 19 (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives is heading for a Sunday vote on a sweeping overhaul of the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare system.
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House Democrats are confident they can overcome solid Republican opposition and pass the bill. Leaders are using a two-step process where the House approves Senate-passed legislation and then votes for a separate package of changes to satisfy concerns of House Democrats. The Senate is expected to approve those changes as well and President Barack Obama plans to sign the bill into law.
Here is what to expect if the bill becomes law:
WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT
*Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.
*Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
*Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
*Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
*A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
*Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
*A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
*A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011
*Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.
*Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.
*A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.
*Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.
*Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.
*An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012
*Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form "accountable care organizations" to improve quality and efficiency of care.
*An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.
*The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable readmissions.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013
*A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.
*The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.
*The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.
*A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014
*State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.
*Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.
*Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.
*Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.
*Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015
*Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2018
*An excise tax on high cost employer-provided plans is imposed. The first $27,500 of a family plan and $10,200 for individual coverage is exempt from the tax. Higher levels are set for plans covering retirees and people in high risk professions. (Reporting by Donna Smith; Editing by David Alexander and Eric Beech)
At first read, this looks pretty damned good. The Reuters reporters managed to fit in a few of the methods that we'll use to pay for all of this: an excise tax on medical supplies, fees based on market share for insurance and pharmaceutical companies, etc. I found that nice.
The "Cadillac tax" cap has gone up by a few thousand dollars per year, which means fewer people will need to worry about it (union boys, you may be safe?).
The whole plan is a nice, steady pace of change as opposed to a sudden, massive restructuring,. Insurance companies won't be forced to accept people with pre-existing conditions at first, so we set up a program to take care of those people until that part of the bill kicks in. A lot of the taxes and fees don't start until a few years down the line, so it'll pay for itself better as time goes on.
I still don't think it's anywhere near perfect, but the fact is this should be viewed as the beginning, not the end, of healthcare reform in the US. This is a decent start to reforming a system that is inherently broken at the core.
ABE: Employers will be mandated to put their portion of health insurance payments on our W-2's, so Flyer will never again need to jump through hoops to find out what his employer is paying. I like that.
Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.

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Re: Better summary of the bill that was actually passed:
I was like "uhhh, that's thanks to THIS bill". He pretty much changed his position almost immediately.
Imagine that.
It's unfortunate, but the healthcare debate doesn't seem to very often engage human compassion. Quite literally, people are saying "I don't care if people die and suffer - it's the AMERICAN WAY!" It's just another "fuck you, I've got mine" situation, like so much else.
People tend to change their minds very quickly when they or someone they care about is directly affected.

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