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Health care reform almost at the finish line... correction: it's finished

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03-18-2010 12:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 2 by hooah212002
03-17-2010 11:20 PM

Basically
It sucks, but is better than what we have now. Hopefully, it will be like medicare and social security. They both sucked at implementation, but improved over time.
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Can you tell I am a progressive?
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03-18-2010 10:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 8 by Taq
03-18-2010 9:58 AM

Re: Basically
What I don't understand about the people that are against reform, is why do the love corporations so much. Why do you adore the corporate world? They are raping the US citizens on health care, pharmaceuticals and in banking, but people are ok with that. Why do they believe corporations, that are motivated by making their execs wealthy, will treat the average person better than the government? The free market does not work without effective and strong regulation.
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This is proven time and time again. Health care, pharmaceuticals, banking all have raped the American people during this period of deregulation.
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I used to work for UnitedHealthcare. In the mid part of last decade they eliminated actual health insurance for their employees. They forced everyone into health benefit accounts or some such crap. Bottom line was the employees paid a lot more out of pocket. They claimed every year that they could not afford more than 2% raises and actually once mandated that 20% of people in EVERY department would not get a raise.
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3 days after one announcement that there would be paltry raises and no bonuses the CEO cashed in $120 million dollars in stock options. This was the 3rd year in a row he did that. At one point he had over $1 billion in stock options he could exercise. Most of these were found to be fraudulently awarded. As a matter of fact he made a PARTIAL settlement with the feds for $468 million.
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Why the hell do the American people feel a need to protect these bastards?
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03-18-2010 11:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 11 by Taq
03-18-2010 11:31 AM

Re: Basically
Whether this was true for UnitedHealthcare or not, this appears to be the case for employers in general. What money they could use for raises is eaten up by increases in health coverage.
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The point was that only the very top of the corporate ladder(even at the health care companies) are doing well. The rest of us a subsidizing their multimillion dollar salaries.
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03-19-2010 11:14 AM 		Reply to: Message 71 by Huntard
03-19-2010 11:03 AM

Re: Ready for another shocker?
Yes, that's right, these guys aren't doing it for the profit!
The way it should be.
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03-23-2010 12:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 100 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 3:32 PM

Re: Docs Out Gub'mt Agents In
Do you really want to talk about Md'S? I think you may be talking out your ass, but then again maybe you have some insight. Doubt it
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03-23-2010 12:51 AM 		Reply to: Message 107 by Buzsaw
03-22-2010 9:08 PM

Re: Docs Out Gub'mt Agents In
Investors Business daily is not at all reputable polling organization. You might want to look at the AMA. Or are they a leftist organization?
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03-23-2010 11:08 AM 		Reply to: Message 120 by Flyer75
03-23-2010 10:47 AM

Re: Docs Out Gub'mt Agents In
And for your example Taq, we have the BEST health care in the world because doctors are doing it for the money...there's a reason why Canadians flock here for surgeries.
Do you truly think we have the best health care in the world?
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The truth about canadian helath care.
Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org by People's Action
http://www.ourfuture.org/...art-ii-debunking-free-marketeers
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More truth
When polled, "nearly three-quarters of physicians supported some form of a public option, either alone or in combination with private insurance options," says Dr. Salomeh Keyhani. She and Dr. Alex Federman, both internists and researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, conducted a random survey, by mail and by phone, of 2,130 doctors. They surveyed them from June right up to early September.
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Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option : NPR
Most U.S. doctors want public-private mix: poll | Reuters
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Those damn facts. Why do the have such a liberal bias?
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