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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
One of the promises of passing a health care bill has been taken away.
Yes, that's right. Limbaugh has withdrawn his promise to move to Costa Rica.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I know I should, but it's so damned boring.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Damn you for being bringer of bad news. I was gettign ready to celebrate the departure of Brother Limbaugh.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 8.0 |
From Reuters:
quote: At first read, this looks pretty damned good. The Reuters reporters managed to fit in a few of the methods that we'll use to pay for all of this: an excise tax on medical supplies, fees based on market share for insurance and pharmaceutical companies, etc. I found that nice. The "Cadillac tax" cap has gone up by a few thousand dollars per year, which means fewer people will need to worry about it (union boys, you may be safe?). The whole plan is a nice, steady pace of change as opposed to a sudden, massive restructuring,. Insurance companies won't be forced to accept people with pre-existing conditions at first, so we set up a program to take care of those people until that part of the bill kicks in. A lot of the taxes and fees don't start until a few years down the line, so it'll pay for itself better as time goes on. I still don't think it's anywhere near perfect, but the fact is this should be viewed as the beginning, not the end, of healthcare reform in the US. This is a decent start to reforming a system that is inherently broken at the core. ABE: Employers will be mandated to put their portion of health insurance payments on our W-2's, so Flyer will never again need to jump through hoops to find out what his employer is paying. I like that. Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.4 |
The irony in that being that Costa Rica has universal health care anyway...
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
*Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college. So we were watching this last night and my brother-in-law's friend stopped by. I had already detailed the majority of the bill to my bro (which he previously was clueless about: he doesn't watch the news at all), and he was all for it because he has a type of brain tumor=impossible to insure if he loses medicare. So his buddy comes in and we tell him what we are watching and he's all like "fuck that, I'm against it, it's gonna make insurance more expensive". I rebutted his points, then he went on to say he had gotten back on his dad's insurance plan this year. He's 24 years old. I was like "uhhh, that's thanks to THIS bill". He pretty much changed his position almost immediately. "Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 8.0 |
I was like "uhhh, that's thanks to THIS bill". He pretty much changed his position almost immediately. Imagine that. It's unfortunate, but the healthcare debate doesn't seem to very often engage human compassion. Quite literally, people are saying "I don't care if people die and suffer - it's the AMERICAN WAY!" It's just another "fuck you, I've got mine" situation, like so much else. People tend to change their minds very quickly when they or someone they care about is directly affected.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3669 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Quite literally, people are saying "I don't care if people die and suffer - it's the AMERICAN WAY!" I'm not sure what is funnier, the American right-wing teabagging attitude towards health care reform, or the British media (esp BBC) reaction to the American right-wing teabagging attitude towards health care reform: "Bu, bu, bu, but they just *can't* be that stupid... can they???"
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Taq Member Posts: 10067 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
"Bu, bu, bu, but they just *can't* be that stupid... can they???" Yes, they can be that stupid.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Thousands of the best MDs will quit, especially the ones who've already rejected Medicare patients due to gub'mt mandates.
Sixteen thousand new IRS agents will be hired to enforce mandatory purchase of premiums and other new and increased taxes. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 8.0 |
Thousands of the best MDs will quit, especially the ones who've already rejected Medicare patients due to gub'mt mandates. Sixteen thousand new IRS agents will be hired to enforce mandatory purchase of premiums and other new and increased taxes. Do you have evidence for those claims, Buz? If not, I fail to see why any of us should heed your warning.
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Buzsaw writes:
That's what they said in Canada, when they went to single payer system. And physicians actually went on strike in some areas. Yet, when all of the posturing and demonstrating was over, the Canadian system worked, and it still works.
Thousands of the best MDs will quit, especially the ones who've already rejected Medicare patients due to gub'mt mandates.
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Taq Member Posts: 10067 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Thousands of the best MDs will quit, especially the ones who've already rejected Medicare patients due to gub'mt mandates. Those don't sound like the type of docs we want in this country anyway. If you aren't interested in helping people then perhaps you shouldn't be a doctor.
Sixteen thousand new IRS agents will be hired to enforce mandatory purchase of premiums and other new and increased taxes. See, this new health bill is already producing new jobs. Not bad.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
But yes, it's a historic moment, comrad. Was there a bit of sarcasm in the "comrad"? My sarcasm detector is a tad off as of late. If so....really? I can't imagine you as the type to say this would bring us to a communist state. In other news, my wonderful state of Wisconsin is trying to sue the federal government to stip on having to acknowledge this bill.
Republicans in the Legislature, the two Republican candidates for governor and leaders of Wisconsin's tea party movement are all urging fellow Republican Van Hollen to file a lawsuit. http://www.fox6now.com/news/sns-ap-wi--healthcareoverhaul-wis,0,2296420.story. "Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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