The Rapture

Sometime in the future a mighty force from the Heavens will come to earth and take all of the children just before mankind is wipe out and the earth is detory of all life from the fires of God. Earth will be toast. By US law a child is under the age of 17, in the year 1 AD a child was 12 years old and younger. Since the Rapture was meant for Jewish children what will happen to all the other children that are not Jewish. Remember when Jesus die he died in by the hands of Romans the Christian Church did not exist. Unless Jesus has been following the actions on earth for the last 2000 years. The Rapture will kill a lot of non-Jews. The children of the Romans who hung Jesus. Even worst Jerry Farwell is in big scat.Secretary
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Hi, Is this your personal fantasy or do others share it with you? Why are we comparing one modern day society to one ancient society? Is it not the case that many different countries have many different rules for deciding what a child is? In the UK a child is under 16.Your claim that in 1 AD (1 CE to be more accurate)a child was 12 years and under is complete and utter nonsense, where did you get this from? The rapture is meant for xians, Jewish children will not be involved in any rapture, unless they have accepted Jesus as their saviour. You mean what will happen to everyone who is not xian? Do not worry about it, the rapture is a fairytale. There was a 'church' when Jesus died, and it grew fairly rapidly after he allegedly rose from the dead. True there were no churches in the sense of buildings, but that there were xian 'churches' when Jesus was said to have died and fairly soon after that is an established fact. Who do you think Paul was persecuting? Who was Paul writing too, who was Paul arguing with in Jerusalem?The church is any body of believers, and in the 1st century CE xians met at each other's houses, this was in effect the first churches. The rapture is not what kills anyone, the rapture is the act of Jesus' sudden and surprising return to 'take up' the ressurected deceased believers, and those saints who are still alive, into heaven, it is Jesus who murders everyone that does not believe in him.Presumably, during the rapture, Jesus will kill anyone who doen't believe in him, regardless of whether you are a Jew or not. Well everyone who doesn't believe the Jesus myth will be killed. All the people who do great charitable acts, all children regardless of whether they are 2 days old or 16 years old will be killed, mentally handicapped kids and adults will be murdered, gentle old ladies will be murdered, in fact anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus will be murdered by him, nice guy isn't he?Of course we don't have to worry about the rapture, it is pure fiction, the word isn't even in the Bible.Brian.

Brain you are right. The Rapture is a myth. It was created to keep people in fear if they did not believe in a certain way. It is a fear tactic. Remember the words of a dead Prophet "profit" can be used to scare people into believing that the sky is falling if they do not believe. In America the fear of a Rapture can keep people in line. Does not the Pope in Rome used his power to scare people into beliveing that He has a direct link with God.
Jerry Farwell one of the great religion leaders in America also can claim the fact that he has a link with God. What religious leader not claim that he/she has a link with God.
Lastly who ever prints the Bible can put anything into it that they want. The Prophet Muhammad created his own version over 20 years. What is to stop a Prophet of today from doing it?Secretary
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Secretary, Jesus kills nobody at the rapture. He appears in the clouds and sends the angels who take the Christians, first the dead and then the alive ones up into the heavens to meet Jesus in the clouds.Meanwhile the rest of the world goes on for some time. They become continually worse and blaspheme God and God, Jehovah, the father has his angels pour out 7 bowls of wrath on the earth described in Revelation 16. At the last bowl the earth gets shook up violently by the mother of all earthquakes. The Jews and their nation will have 144000 of themselves marked for Christ when he returns to fight for Israel at invasion of Jerusalem. Jesus then comes from Heaven to earth to destroy those armies and establish his kingdom on earth at Jerusalem. This all is a time of God's wrath and many will be destroyed by the things that happen to the earth. We see the beginning of some of this stuff already.

buzsaw writes:

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We see the beginning of some of this stuff already.

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No, we don't. This was supposed to happen nearly 2,000 years ago.Remember, Jesus directly tells multiple people that they would live to see the end of the world (Luke 9:27, for example).So are you willing to say that there are some 2,000-year-old people wandering around?------------------
Rrhain
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Actually I think it says the 'kingdom of heaven'. In the last book of the bible, Revelations, John supposedly views parts of it in a vision.

Quoting Buz. "The father has his angels pour out 7 bowls of wrath on the earth."Is a "calderon" the same as a "bowl?"Quoting Brian: "The (event) is 2000 years overdue."The "mother of all earthquakes" (Yellowstone Calderon) is approximately 20,000 to 30,000 years overdue if one considers its apparent 600,000 year regular cycle.[This message has been edited by Abshalom, 12-20-2003]

Recently astronomers discovered a near-earth asteroid that in about 2800 AD may slam into the earth causing massive disruption and possibly wiping out the human race! So if the rapture takes place as you say, it will have to be before then! HOWEVER the rapture could be immediately when the asteroid hits, because the Bible says in 1st Thessalonians 4:16,17; " For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: AND SO SHALL EVER BE WITH THE LORD." As it also says in the last verse of the Bible; "Come Lord Jesus Asteroid(his last name!)"[This message has been edited by Prozacman, 12-20-2003][This message has been edited by Prozacman, 12-20-2003]

Seems to me that the events in the passage you quote have already taken place(except for the rapture) when th Romans entered Jerusalem & destroyed it in 136 AD. Apparently those events didn't quite happen as the writer of revelation predicted.[This message has been edited by Prozacman, 12-20-2003]

I think they DID see the "end of the world"(their world) nearly 2000 years ago. Is it possible that the whore of Revelation was Rome, & the antichrist was an emporer?

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Actually the Bible says that in those final days stars from the heavens will fall and destroy 2/3 of the earth. It is the interpretation of many as asteroids from the sky.------------------
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TheVanisher responds to me...I think...he doesn't say:

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Actually I think it says the 'kingdom of heaven'.

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What do you think that means? That's the end of the world.The point remains that Jesus tells many people directly that they would live to see "all be fulfilled," whatever you may want that to mean. Since it hasn't happened yet, that must necessarily mean that those people are still alive.So are you saying that there are some 2,000-year-old people wandering around? The Bible was very much of the opinion that the world was going to end in the very near future.It didn't happen.------------------
Rrhain
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Hi How can you have a cycle of 600 000 years in a universe that is only 6007 years old ?Brian.

Prozacman responds to me:

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I think they DID see the "end of the world"(their world) nearly 2000 years ago. Is it possible that the whore of Revelation was Rome, & the antichrist was an emporer?

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So maybe that's why they're so cranky: The world ended, god took all the souls he wanted, and this is hell.Alas, Jesus was supposed to come back and rule the world from Jerusalem. That didn't happen so even if we want to make Revelation about Rome, it hasn't been fulfilled yet.------------------
Rrhain
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