The Rapture

Hello:I mistakely attributed a quote to you (Brian) that actually appeared in a post from Rrian (regarding "2000 years overdue)"Anyway, and to everyone, when the Yellowstone Calderon blows, whether early or late, it will spew hot ash, shoot firey missles, and rain fire over all of North America and sound a blast that will be heard round the world. The last blast (Toba) anywhere near the force anticipated from Yellowstone reduced the Earth's population to a mere handfull of aboriginal homo sapiens 75,000 years ago. Peace and good luck.

Ok. you agree, but why? I'll explain why after I get a book athe library(again),and then I'll fill you in. In the mean time, can YOU tell me why? Iseem to have forgotten after surviving that recent asteroid strike.

Why 2/3rds destroyed, why not 7/9ths or 1/72th? Jeesh man! 2/3rds of the ever increasing population of the earth is 6&1/2 billion times 2/3rds= about 4&3/4ths billion people! They would be angry at you for predicting their hideous deaths due to multiple asteroid strikes. And are we supposed to believe that the writer of Revelation knew what he was talking about when he used the word "stars"? I'll bet you he was thinking, "those pretty points of light in the sky", not about asteroids which nobody can see without a telescope, not to mention meteoroids which add to the earths mass about 2000 tons every day. I propose that the writer got konked on the head by one of these.

You should have heard the blather of my former pastor about Revelation and his idea that Rome will be "reborn" in the guise of the United States!, and that the antichrist is alive and well & living in our midst! That's about the time(many years ago)that I began to wonder if I was'nt wasting my time. Earth ain't the christian hell no matter what God did with all those souls(food of the gods?), because we all die. In christian theology as you probably well know, the unsaved souls spend forever in hell, while earth is a sort of temporary testing ground. The fact that Jesus did not come back right away as expected is a serious problem for the early x-ians as recorded in the NT. Get back to you.

"The point remains that Jesus tells many people directly that they would live to see "all be fulfilled," whatever you may want that to mean. Since it hasn't happened yet, that must necessarily mean that those people are still alive."Actually they are. When you die your spirit will go to heaven to the presence of God or it will go to hell where it will be encarcerated waiting judgement. Judgement comes after the time of the revelations comes to pass."So are you saying that there are some 2,000-year-old people wandering around?"Not in the physical world but where I just told you"The Bible was very much of the opinion that the world was going to end in the very near future.It didn't happen."Certain signals have to come true before that time comes. Most notably the rise of Europe as the world power through the europran union which is something that is slowly happening. The Euro is starting to kick the dollars butt and soon theyll have the military muscle also------------------
BIG Bang=Bigger JOke

You apparently used to be a Christian so I encourage you to read the bible and find the evidence for this. The asteroids is the most logical assumption but it can be other things

Heres something in the web that mentions the asteroid and the fall of the US as world power. It is in the web site of a devote student of the book of revelations.A message concerning the events in New York City on 9-11-01Saints
I wanted to say a few things concerning the events in New York city on 9-11-01. If you have read my website or as you do, you will see that I write concerning massive destruction on the east coast of the USA. I write that New York City with its financial areas, as well as Washington DC including the Pentagon would be wiped out. I want to say at this time that the events on 9-11-01 "ARE NOT" the events I write about concerning the Book of Revelations and the endtimes. These are only a prelude to those coming events which (when they start) will be caused by an asteroid hitting in the Atlantic Ocean.
The events on 9-11-01 are only a "TYPE" or a prelude to the coming events which will carry
"FAR MORE" destruction than these terrorist attacks. The events in Revelations Chapter 8 will be 'FAR MORE' devastating than these attacks. The events in Revelations closely parallel these attacks, yet the events in Revelations will be far worst. The events in Revelations will cause the SUDDEN downfall of America.
As I see it this is a warning.
Rev. 18:4+5 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her my people, that you may not participate IN HER SINS and that you MAY NOT RECEIVE OF HER PLAUGES; for HER SINS have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities."
How is it that the Holy Spirit says 'COME OUT OF HER'? For we people of God have become joined with this HARLOT through our 'UNION' with her. We read in 1 Cor.6:14-16 "Do you not know that your 'bodies' are MEMBERS of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a HARLOT? MAY IT NEVER BE! Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a harlot is one body with her? For He says, The two 'WILL' become one flesh.
The church is to be preparing for her wedding. Yet we have fallen in love with this unholy world system which America is the ruler over. We have sent aside our wedding preperations as we have been lured into the bedroom of the harlot. As the word says, we shall become 'one flesh' with her. No, we have not lost our salvation, but we have left our first love. We are being led by our flesh and not the Holy Spirit, through our born again spirit. It says that the two shall become 'one flesh'. This is truly a 'FLESHLY' attraction, yet we have been led by our flesh to this world harlot. We have found her to be full of a wordly glory that we could not resist. Yet your groom has bruised and bloody her. Will we turn from her and turn back to our first love? Or we will still long for her in her present condition?
As I said this "IS NOT YET" 'the beginning' of the end. It is a warning and a prelude of the things to come. It could start tomorrow or years from now, yet it is coming.
It is a warning, Love not the world nor the things of the world. Prepare the way of the Lord and repent!!!!
You will read and understand much concerning Babylon and the USA as you read on. Babylon is full of evil, yet it is also the glory of the world, the best that the world has to offer. The most powerful, properous, important (in the natural sense) country in the world. It offers the world all that the world desires. The Saints also are generally held captives by it, as they desire all that Babylon has to offer.
In Him
by His grace
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BIG Bang=Bigger JOke

jazzlover PRYou are just one of a long line of people who fool themselves into believing that they know when the world will end according the 'special' knowledge they alone possess.Check out this website and who knows one day you may join their ranks.http://www.abhota.info/In my lifetime I have heard at least a dozen predicttions for the end time being near and to me it is laughable.All these people were sincere and concerned about it but lo and behold! they and the rest of the world are still here.Amazing how that works eh?I would not mock your position if it wasn't such a common trait among humans to believe such drivel. You say we are to be hit by an asteroid in the atlantic ocean and that 9-11 was just a prelude to these endtimes. So how about giving us the year which you must surely have. Since you have predicted the location as being the atlantic ocean then you must have an idea of the asteroids path through space which therefore means you can tell us WHEN! I will bet you do not have a clue as to when do you?Come on let us in on how you will back up your supposed knowledge with actual events.None of the vague bullshit that passes for prediction but specific actions of specific persons.------------------
"I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong."
R.P. Feynman

I am not saying when im saying it will happen. The bible gives clues to the time of all these things but it clearly sates that only God knows when the time will be. It goes even further saying that not even the angels in the heavens know the time of all these prophecies to come true. So anybody that says when the time will be is an idiot who never read the bible. But god does reveal to some people particular events like for example the formation of the European union. Right now here in Puerto Rico many pastors have had dreams that terrible things are gonna happen to the United states in the years 2005,2007 and 2010. What these things exactly are onlygod knows. Hes just warning the people who follow him not to be alarmed if something terrible happens during those years. In my church th pastor told us that something terrible was in store for NYC. He said this on sunday morning september 9. He didnt know what or when but the follwing tuesday was sept 11 and the world knows what happened. im tired right now but i'll come back. I know it will be a waste of time since you will never believe even if the asteroid hits you in the face------------------
BIG Bang=Bigger JOke

jazzlover PR And of course if anything at all happens in the U.S. like the slaying of a political figure or some such significant but non-apocolyptic event you and others like you will fit the event to the prophecy and say "See the end times are upon us!" What you would consider to be significant enough to be worth noting is below the threshold of others to consider. Do you seriously think a war erupting on U.S. soil is a sign of end times? Even you cannot be so arrogant as to assume war represents anything unusual in the course of human history.It is most assuredly end times for those who die but in the realm of world events where nations continue despite the attrocities life goes on.Here is something I would like you to show me. Bring up a passage of the bible that you have accepted as prophecy that has already occured and tell us of the event you say the prophecy foretold.Give us one that you believe has indisputable evidence of being true and and show us how you arrive at the conclusion you do.------------------
"I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong."
R.P. Feynman

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Actually they are (still alive as Jesus prophesied). When you die your spirit will go to heaven to the presence of God. . .

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{chuckle}. . So your argument here is that since some people will live forever (spiritually) then Jesus was correct in saying that some wouldn't die before "all these things be fulfilled"?Think he left himself a wide enough margin for error? Since infinity is (tautologically) infinite, I think even I could have narrowed it down a bit more than that.Thanks for the chuckle . .Amlodhi

Prozacman responds to me:

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and that the antichrist is alive and well & living in our midst!

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Well, the Bible actually says that.1 John 2:17: And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
2:18: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.1 John 4:3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.So the antichrist has been wandering around for nearly 2000 years...when is the trap going to be sprung?

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Earth ain't the christian hell no matter what God did with all those souls(food of the gods?), because we all die. In christian theology as you probably well know, the unsaved souls spend forever in hell, while earth is a sort of temporary testing ground.

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What you mean "we," paleface? Oh, you may think those are other people, but you're really the only person there. Everybody else is just actors playing their part in your punishment. You won't die. You haven't yet, have you?

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The fact that Jesus did not come back right away as expected is a serious problem for the early x-ians as recorded in the NT.

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Oh, I know. A great deal of, "It was all just metaphorical! Remember, nobody knows when the end will actually come...'like a thief in the night!' 'Like a thief in the night!'" was carried out.------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

jazzlover_PR responds to me:

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The point remains that Jesus tells many people directly that they would live to see "all be fulfilled," whatever you may want that to mean. Since it hasn't happened yet, that must necessarily mean that those people are still alive.

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Actually they are. When you die your spirit will go to heaven to the presence of God or it will go to hell where it will be encarcerated waiting judgement.

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Um, if they died, then they are not alive.Jesus said they would LIVE to see the end of the world. If they died, then they did not live.

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So are you saying that there are some 2,000-year-old people wandering around?

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Not in the physical world but where I just told you

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But that's in direct contradiction to what Jesus said.He said they would not die.Mark 9:1: And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.Luke 9:27: But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.1 Thessalonians 4:15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
4:16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.And even more, he put a timeline on it:Mark 13:30: Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.Not only will some people remain alive to the end, but also it isn't just a select few but most of the people will live.

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The Bible was very much of the opinion that the world was going to end in the very near future.

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It didn't happen.

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Certain signals have to come true before that time comes.

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But according to the Bible, those signs had come.1 Peter 4:7: But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.Hebrews 10:36: For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
10:37: For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.1 Peter 1:19: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1:20: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,1 John 4:3: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.Matthew 23:36: Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.Philippians 4:5: Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

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Most notably the rise of Europe as the world power through the europran union which is something that is slowly happening. The Euro is starting to kick the dollars butt and soon theyll have the military muscle also

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Irrelevant. It was supposed to happen nearly 2000 years ago. You missed your deadline. The generation that was not supposed to pass until all had been fulfilled passed.------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

jazzlover_PR responds to Prozacman:

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The asteroids is the most logical assumption

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How could something that was completely unknown at the time of the writing be the most logical assumption? An asteroid is hardly something difficult to describe. If he didn't mean star, he shouldn't have said star. Asteroids are rocks. Why didn't he say "rocks"?

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but it can be other things

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Um, why can't it be "stars" like he said?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Do you want me to find evidence in the Bible for... what?; the idea that the writer of revelation thought that only 'stars' were those pretty points of light in the sky, and not meteorites, comets, or asteroids? 1. Asteroids can't be seen without a telescope and people in the time of the writer didn't have telescopes. 2. Sure people could see meteors & comets, but these were not called 'stars' by the ancients. Instead they were thought of as 'omens', or signs that some kindom would get sacked or some ruler was to be born. The medeval word for these "scary" phenomena was PORTENT. 3. Admittedly the "star of Bethlehem" mentioned in the story of the birth of Jesus appeared to be a "good omen" to some, even though modern astronomers who have looked into the matter think it was either a supernova or a comet. But it definitely wasn't an asteroid for the reason stated in #1.[This message has been edited by Prozacman, 12-23-2003]