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Author Topic:   Can survival of the fittest accomodate morals?
RAZD
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Message 10 of 64 (551451)
03-22-2010 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Den
03-22-2010 12:45 AM


morals depend on the social structure of the species
Hi again, Den. It certainly doesn't look like you have improved your position, even with your recent equivocating on who you really are.

Amusingly, no reasonable person will believe much of anything you say now, as you "cried wolf" one too many times.

The problem, of course, is an overly simplistic and unrealistic portrayal of nature in general and human nature in specific.

For example, lions murder the cubs of other lions and then rape the lionesses ...

It should be blindingly obvious that the natural behavior of lions are necessarily different from the natural behavior of humans, as each species develops patterns of behavior that provide the total population with the best opportunities for reproduction and survival. Evolution occurs in populations, not individuals.

As a result, patricide is not only common, but virtually expected as "moral" behavior for spiders and mantids. It is also "moral" for a parasite to live off the flesh of a victim, eating them slowly while the victim is still alive.

The lesson of evolution is that those that survive and breed can pass on their genes to the next generation. The total population of surviving individuals forms the gene pool that produces the next generation, not just one individual.

All of nature is like one big trial and error computer, it keeps trying variations on a theme, and the ones that work become the foundations for the next round of trial and error tests.

To expect a specific moral system to rise up out of nature is like expecting a volcano to play a Beethoven Symphony: unrealistic because that is not the function of volcanoes.

Whether you are an immature fundy, a born-again atheist, a troll or just an undereducated person, the fact remains that your posts exhibit an ignorance of simple principles, of biological behavior in general, and of evolution in particular, that one should be ashamed to display in public.

But hey, this is America, and you are free to believe any foolish little thing your silly heart desires.

Enjoy.


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RAZD
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Message 30 of 64 (552007)
03-25-2010 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by dwise1
03-25-2010 10:57 AM


Re: Lack of worldly knowledge?
Hi dwise and Drosophilla,

So my impression of him was that he was an incredibly and refreshingly honest creationist who did not let his beliefs get in the way of science.

google "honest creationist" -- with the quotes.

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Message 32 of 64 (552757)
03-30-2010 11:10 PM
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03-29-2010 4:18 PM


Re: Lack of worldly knowledge?
The short answer is that mankind is a social animal in a social setting, therefore morality is an evolutionary trait.

The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise.

A better answer is that:

Mankind is a social animal in a social setting, therefore human morality is a social morality. This is in fact what we see.

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