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Author Topic:   Can survival of the fittest accomodate morals?
Percy
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Message 8 of 64 (551297)
03-22-2010 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Den
03-22-2010 12:45 AM


Den writes:

For example, lions murder the cubs of other lions and then rape the lionesses when they take over a new pride, rape is common in Dolphins, yet all this is considered as a positive natural process in the eyes of biological science.

When you say "positive natural process" you're assuming a sense of good and bad that does not exist in science.

My question to the Athiests/ Evolutionists is why can rape, murder and poligamy in the animal kingdom be seen as natural and successful in the eyes of natural selection for all animals, but why does science exclude homo sapiens from conducting such behaviour?

What in the world leads you to ask why science tells people they shouldn't commit rape and murder? It isn't science that says this but society. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Since homo sapiens follows a completely different moral code to the entire animal kingdom is it possible that humans fit outside the order of the rest of the animal kingdom? Could this mean we have a different origin? a unique purpose?

Animals don't have the cognitive horsepower to have a moral code.

And humans have different moral codes at different times in different societies in different places. There's no universal moral code. For example, in some societies it's immoral for a woman to show her face in public.

And regardless of any moral codes, some people rape, some animals rape. Some people murder, some animals murder. I'm not seeing a big difference.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 20 of 64 (551787)
03-24-2010 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Den
03-24-2010 2:39 AM


Den writes:

You are taking what I have said out of context, maybe I've failed to explain myself properly or perhaps you are just on an immature ego trip.

I noted the contradiction myself when I first read that message, and I think Dr Adequate has accurately captured your views. I didn't reply to your message because so far with you it's been, "So many mistakes, so little time." One has to carefully pick and choose else there'd be no time to eat or sleep.

But if we've misunderstood you then please just clarify. Is murder and rape in nature immoral and not to be imitated by man? Or is murder and rape in nature just another perfect part of God's perfect creation, and hence to be admired and (gasp!) aped?

--Percy


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