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Author Topic:   Does Atheism = No beliefs?
Pauline
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Message 124 of 414 (551733)
03-24-2010 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by bluegenes
03-22-2010 7:48 AM


Re: Belief is active, and disbelief the default.
bluegenes writes:
quote:
Den writes:
Once you commit to Atheism doesn't ruling out a possibility disable you from continuously objectively investigating it?
Commit? I was born an atheist, and so were you. If you come to believe in any supernatural beings for whose existence you have no evidence, then that is a commitment of sorts.
So all humans are born atheists, according to you. Everyone is born a with a innate lack of belief in the supernatural. I've got some questions,
1. What genetic changes do I have to have in order to acquire a belief in the supernatural?
2. If belief, or lack of it is based on genetics, then why do people often switch from one viewpoint to another i.e naturalism to supernaturalism and vice versa? Wouldn't inherited traits remain lifelong?
3. From an evolutionary standpoint, does the fact that more people believe in some type of supernatural being and a very small % do not imply that lack of belief is inferior and therefore, a thing "unfit"?
4. If genes and natural selection decide whether or not I will be an atheist or theist, then I have absolutely no say whatsoever. So, form a geneticist's standpoint, can we predict what % of a couple's offspring will be supernaturalist and what % naturalist will be using genetics?
Edited by Dr. Sing, : spelling

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Pauline
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Message 129 of 414 (551743)
03-24-2010 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Rahvin
03-24-2010 12:26 AM


Re: Belief is active, and disbelief the default.
Hello Rahvin,
Rahvin writes:
Whoa, there, Doc. You misunderstand. It has nothign to do with genetics.
Why not? If morality, an equally abstract concept, has everything to do with genetics, why not belief/disbelief? Where do you draw the line?
Perhaps you'll respond with "well, morality is not abstract, I can see electrochemical reactions that manifest themselves as emotions externally."
Still, the question remains. What part of man is the source of physically un-detectable ideas and concepts? If you agree that there is such a "abstract" center of thought, you are kind of compelled to believe in a thing which you can't see or touch.....
A newborn baby does not yet believe in God. The word is meaningless to a child until the concept is explained.
If you raise a child without ever telling him/her about Jesus, for example, the child will grow up not believing in Jesus, because he/she will have no idea what Jesus is in the first place.
Well, when you can have genes that influence (or give rise to?) morality, why can't you have genes that determine your position irrespective of your external circumstances/exposure/knowledge? Do you rule out the possibility of finding this to be fact pretty dogmatically?
My point is, you can never see the chemical basis (I don't think there is) for a person's belief/disbelief. Does this bother the naturalist who holds that nature is all there is? IS he comfortable with allowing a certain aspect of man that not tangible?

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Pauline
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Message 134 of 414 (551760)
03-24-2010 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Dr Adequate
03-24-2010 2:44 AM


Re: Belief is active, and disbelief the default.
As a matter of fact, you can see the physical basis for religious beliefs using brain scanning technology.
If you ask someone what they believe personally, they use one part of their brain. If you ask them to think about what someone else might believe, they use another part of the brain.
Now, guess which part of the brain they use when you ask them what God thinks.
Go on, have a guess.
Yes, that's right. When people think about what God's opinions are, their brain activity looks exactly the same as when they think about what their own opinions are.
So whats the name if this technology?

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