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Tangle Member  Posts: 7020 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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If you don't believe in god(s), then you're an atheist. It's very simple. quote: Couple of points, I don't care which side you're on and you're not dumb, you just regularly say dumb things purely for arguments sake. quote: Maybe. So? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Theodoric Member  Posts: 6499 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Atheism and agnosticism are different things. They are not different positions on a scale. Atheism has to do with belief. Gnostic Theist - Knows and believes there is a god Gnostic Atheist - Knows there is no god and does not believe either They only rational choices are the agnostic ones. It is impossible to know something with no evidence to back up that knowledge. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Diomedes Member  Posts: 884 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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Good summation. And this is what I usually try to convey (with limited success) when I have these discussions with religious folks. Sometimes, the concepts of 'Strong Atheism' and 'Weak Atheism' have also been used in the past, but I have never been a fan of these as they are too vague and open to interpretation.
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Thugpreacha Member  Posts: 12698 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
quote:Thats evil. You don't strike me as quite that mean, however..Tangle. After all, what harm can believers cause that would inspire us to try and make fewer of them? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member  Posts: 31195 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
"True Believers", those who are sure of their beliefs should always be feared. Whether they are "True Believers" in some religion, a political party, a social system or convention, an economic policy, a nation or race, they need to be seen as a potential threat. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Thugpreacha Member Posts: 12698 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member Posts: 31195 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
I mean those who are so sure of their answers that there is no need to question them. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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I don't understand how that has anything to do with what we're talking about.
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ringo Member  Posts: 17168 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
And if you don't know, you're agnostic. Equally simple. If you don't know whether you believe or not, it becomes less simple. Am I an atheist or a deist? I don't know. Is there such a thing as an adeist in your pantheon of stances?
Well, if you can't address the dumb arguments - which you regularly can't - how are you going to address the smart ones? 
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Theodoric Member Posts: 6499 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
That explains your problem. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Tangle Member Posts: 7020 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
That's the Christian message isn't it?
I don't think it's either evil or mean - but it isn't me. This place is pretty much the only place I discuss this stuff - nobody else cares much where I come from. So if I am, we all are.
Where do I start.......? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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But you were the one who was completely wrong about what I was thinking. So it's your problem not mine. And apparently you can't even explain how you got there. So that's two problems.
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Tangle Member Posts: 7020 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.9
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Wrong, but I'm not starting that again here. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member Posts: 17168 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Feel free to run away when you can't refute the obvious. 
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Stile Member  Posts: 3789 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
This doesn't seem right to me. If it's not rational to say you "know there is no god..." is it ever rational to say you "know there is no Santa Claus...?" If we have reports on where something should be, how it should act... and we check those places and the consequences we should find, and nothing is ever found... over and over and over... "Never." Seems a bit too far fetched, to me. Rewording the issue another way: Does "knowledge" imply "absolute perfection?"
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