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Topic: The End of Evolution By Means of Natural Selection
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 251 of 851 (554929)
04-10-2010 10:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 250 by Faith
04-10-2010 9:18 PM
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Re: ring species genotypes are different
Mutations only make disease and junk, that's my conclusion So a bacterium that through, mutations, is able to form an enzyme that digests nylon is diseased or is junk? That through mutations some ancient fish was able to change from getting rid of nitrogen by ammonia to getting rid of nitrogen through urea which enabled them to eventually live away from water is junk?
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 457 of 851 (556609)
04-20-2010 2:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 452 by Faith
04-20-2010 11:03 AM
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Re: isolation drift and selection are enough
What I quoted I copied directly from the article and it didn't have the mention of mutations in it. I didn't leave anything out. You better check again. What Dr A quoted is what the wiki site has.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 629 of 851 (557551)
04-26-2010 4:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 601 by Faith
04-25-2010 2:52 AM
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Re: Can't get to species from my model?
I don't expect "speciation" to produce a new species. I expect it to have all the same genetic makeup as the species it came from, only shuffled in such new combinations that it is a new variety of that species and may not be able to interbreed with the rest of its kin. So by extrapolating your reasoning, a spirochete, amoeba, jellyfish, oak tree, ostrich fern, lamprey, horseshoe crab & a human being are all varieties of the same species. I don't think this is what you infer, but that is what the outcome would be if speciation doesn't produce new species. Edited by bluescat48, : missing line
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 687 of 851 (558140)
04-30-2010 12:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 682 by Faith
04-29-2010 11:05 PM
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Re: hypothetical beneficial mutations
Not impossible but SO highly improbable the odds are way against it ever happening. true, but playing the probability game does not preclude the event. ie what are the odds that you were born? 1 in 70,368,744,177,664. That is the number of arrangements that you can have from 23 chromosomes from your mother & 23 chromosomes from your father. 1 chromosome difference and you are someone else.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 694 of 851 (558216)
04-30-2010 11:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 688 by Faith
04-30-2010 12:04 AM
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Re: hypothetical beneficial mutations
You have misunderstood my point. Your, personal existence is the result of about a 1 in 70 trillion odds. My point is that if say chromosome 19 that you received from your father was reversed, (his chromosome 19 is diploid and when the sperm is formed it is haploid, so that chromosome has a 1 in 2 chance of being the chromosome he received from his mother or the one from his father. there are 8, 388, 608 arrangements of the chromosomes in sperm and a equal number of chormosomal arrangements in the egg. since any one can sperm can impregnate the egg then there are over 70 trillion possibilities. thus if one chromosome was different ie number 19 that I said earlier you , would not be you. I was not implying that you can't exist, thus that your existence and the existence of all humans as their particular self is the result of 1 in 70 trillion odds.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 709 of 851 (558381)
04-30-2010 11:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 697 by Faith
04-30-2010 12:16 PM
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Re: hypothetical beneficial mutations
I understood you just fine. You misunderstood me. Your comparison doesn't work.
and how did I misunderstand you?
A human being has to result from the chromosome combo so why not me, but a mistake in replication doesn't have to produce anything but a mistake. What does a mistake have to do with odds. I am talkig about odds which you claim makes it vituslly impossible for beneficial mutation to occur.
Not impossible but SO highly improbable the odds are way against it ever happening. What I am saying is that even if odds were 70 trillion to 1 against a beneficial mutation, it still can happen, and has numerous times in the last 3.8 million years.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 829 of 851 (603613)
02-06-2011 12:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 828 by Rakshas
02-05-2011 5:23 PM
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Re: Where is the end, if there is no beginning?
I don't know where you come up with the point that vendian eyes would disprove evolution, it puts a stamp on natural section. It helps explain why some post Vendian creatures have no eyes or have differently evolved eyes. Secondly there is no such thing as devolution, evolution is not directional.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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bluescat48
Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2007
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Message 831 of 851 (603615)
02-06-2011 12:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 830 by Coyote
02-06-2011 12:11 AM
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Re: Where is the end, if there is no beginning?
Would they be then, devobelivers, since they believe in devo-beliefs
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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