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Author Topic:   Is complexity an argument against design?
RAZD
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Message 18 of 142 (304613)
04-16-2006 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by jar
04-16-2006 11:32 AM


Re: signs of (intelligent) life
... and the stable ones are at the apex of equilateral triangles for the two main bodies.
Surely a product of design eh?
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Message 21 of 142 (305373)
04-19-2006 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by cavediver
04-18-2006 4:57 AM


Re: signs of (intelligent) life
Gosh, it must have been designed just that way ... the odds of it happening by chance ... the fine tuning of universal constants necessary to make it happen ...
... must get to a nunnery ...
um,
Isn't that why those orbits are stable while the other 3 aren't? The minor perturbations result in restoring {forces\corrections}?
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Message 102 of 142 (476067)
07-20-2008 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by John 10:10
07-20-2008 8:28 PM


Yes, still a theory, a validated scientific based on evidence theory, but ...
The last time I asked whether or not the ToE was still a theory, most at this forum said it was. I guess some will now retract what they have said.
Why? all you have done is repeat your false assertions. You need to convince us with evidence, not hype, hypothesis and hope.
To make my position clear: the theory of evolution is a theory.
It is a theory that is based on evidence that evolution - the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation - occurs, and not just occasionally, but continually and in all known life forms. This is massive amounts of evidence that evolution plays a significant role in biological life.
It is also a theory that has been tested, tested by every fossil find, tested by genetics, tested in the lab and tested in the field. The consensus of all this testing is that evolution is still the best explanation for the diversity of life as we know it, from the world around us, from history, from natural history, and from genetics. This is massive amounts of validation that evolution can explain the diversity of biological life in all its wonderful forms.
The fact remains that evolution is just as "studied, verified, repeated, and yes, proven to be true by trial and error to a very high degree of accuracy" as any other science, claims to the contrary by creationists notwithstanding, as no creationist has been able to demonstrate otherwise.
Whether you recognize it or not, the ToE is your religion.
False. Religion is not tested, nor held tentatively, nor is it derived from evidence. Evolution has gone through some changes, evolved, since the formulation by Darwin of descent with modification. Most of these changes have to do with providing a clearer picture of the various processes involved.
Darwin noted that traits had to be hereditary to affect evolution, but he did not know the process: today we know about DNA and mutations.
Darwin noted that animals would be related by common ancestors if descent with modification were true, and he noted the sparsity of fossil evidence at the time. Today we have much more evidence, and each single fossil fits into a tree of common ancestry both in time and space and in transitions from one form to another. Today, for instance we can look at hominid skulls over the last 3 million years and see clear transitions from ape-like to fully human:
quote:
29 Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 1

Differences that are smaller than those observed between the various breeds of dogs.
Today we also have genetics that shows common ancestry of organisms the same way DNA testing shows common ancestry in paternity cases and the like.
BUT
That has nothing to do with complexity or the fact that "design" is woefully inept at explaining much of anything of the known diversity of life, in the world around us, in history, in the natural history of life on this planet, or in genetics.
Evolution explains complexity quite well, and it explains the bits and pieces that are problematical for a design hypothesis (unless, perhaps, one wants to consider Silly Design).
The problem you have is to forget everything you know (or think you know) about evolution, and everything you believe based on faith, and then approach "design" from a scientific viewpoint and TEST your hypothesis against the facts. I predict you will end up with evolution as the process.
Enjoy.
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