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Author Topic:   Is complexity an argument against design?
jar
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Message 17 of 142 (304596)
04-16-2006 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by arachnophilia
04-16-2006 11:00 AM


Re: signs of (intelligent) life
Yup, wrong. Here is a map for the Lagrange Points for a two body system. What you were likely think of was that two are stable while three are unstable.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 41 of 142 (375293)
01-08-2007 9:51 AM
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01-08-2007 8:42 AM


Re: Don't forget semantics
The difference is purely in the eye of the beholder. David represents something (from our learnt experience, we can see other people and we can read of biblical history, so due to what we have been exposed to, we can infer design), whereas a mountain does not represent anything other than itself.
Until a few years ago there was a mountain formation we called "The old Man of the Mountain"
Old Man
"David" or just Mountain?

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jar
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Message 44 of 142 (375478)
01-08-2007 7:59 PM
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01-08-2007 7:55 PM


Design?
Yes, but a pattern in the mountain may not have been the intended design.
So are you saying that there was an intended design?

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jar
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Message 50 of 142 (403538)
06-03-2007 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by herrmann
06-03-2007 8:42 PM


God as perfect?
Another explanation could be that god, being decribed as perfect in the bible, has so little difficulty making the objects of this world, that he could make another object just as easily.
That of course depends on which God that is described in the Bible you are talking about. While the God described in Genesis 1 might be considered perfect or near perfect, the God that shows up in the older Genesis 2 Creation myth is certainly not perfect, and in fact, kinda a duffus.

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jar
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Message 52 of 142 (403652)
06-04-2007 5:10 PM
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06-04-2007 4:23 PM


Re: God as perfect?
there is nothing that god in Genesis 2 does to say that he is unperfect. He is simply on earth in a limited form and is not acting as an omniscient being.
Of course there is, in fact the earlier God as found in Genesis 2 as opposed to the newer portrayal as found in Genesis 1, is something of a duffus. He neglects to make a female of the species for man even though he did so for all the others, he is clueless as to what would make a help meet for Adam and so brings in a bunch of different critters (Adam was not too happy with the Tiger but thought the sheep were REAL close) and is a far different representation than what we see in the much later God of Genesis 1.
And of course you can find examples of a "perfect" God in the Bible, I already pointed out that the God of Genesis 1 is close.
by the way I take offense from the calling of the bible as a myth, so can you at least try to appeal to the fact that people actually believe in it.
Tough. I did not call the Bible a myth, I called the Creation stories Myths, because that is what they are. They are a compilation (particularly the myth beginning in Genesis 2:5) written by different people from different cultures with different purposes.
Many of us believe in the Bible. I believe in the Bible. That has nothing to do with the fact that much of it is myth.

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