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Author Topic:   Is complexity an argument against design?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 106 of 142 (476901)
07-28-2008 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by John 10:10
07-28-2008 10:53 AM


Re: Yes, still a theory, a validated scientific based on evidence theory, but ...
Almost everything that man does in science, engineering, medicine, etc. is done with man's creativeness and design. Yet the diversity and complexity of life in the world around us is far far more complex than anything man has been able to create and design in his puny little brain and build with his hands, much less understand how it fully works.
That could just as easily suggest that creativeness and design are not sufficient to create the diversity and complexity of life in the world around us.
It seems, to me, that a natural process is the only thing that is good enough to explain it. That, or an omnipotent god.
Diversity and complexity, themselves, don't suggest god. You'd need something else, some other evidence besides the Diversity and complexity, themselves, to suggest that it was a god. Assuming it is natural is the default for science and this has seemed to work wonders, considering that we're commincating over the internet via computers.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 110 of 142 (476990)
07-29-2008 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by John 10:10
07-29-2008 8:27 AM


Re: Yes, still a theory, a validated scientific based on evidence theory, but ...
You are absolutely right!
Diversity and complexity, themselves, don't suggest god.
Diversity and complexity demands that there be an omnipotent Creator,
God = an omnipotent Creator
I meant that Diversity and complexity, themselves, don't suggest an omnipotent Creator.
unless you have faith that believes a natural process is the only thing that is good enough to explain it.
False Dilemma.
God could have used a natural process, no?
Also, the only thing I need faith in, is God.
The basis for it being a natural process is evidence. When the evidence is convincing, no faith is necessary. The evidence suggests that a natural process is sufficient to explain the diversity and complexity. Whether or not God was involved is when faith steps in. I happen to believe that he was, but not because of the diversity and complexity, themselves.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 120 of 142 (477298)
08-01-2008 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by Fosdick
07-31-2008 11:47 AM


Re: Yes, still a theory, a validated scientific based on evidence theory, but ...
As such, I think "complexity" is something of a scientific religion”you have to believe it, because the evidence for its existence is not always objective.
I'd say that complexity is a non-scientific religion.....
Since, as you said:
"Complexity" has no common definition within the scientific community.
And then go on to ask:
Is a frog more complex than a rock? Is a human more complex than a cuttlefish? Is water more complex than air? Is a prayer more complex than a thought?
Well, the answer is: who knows?
"Complexity" is not some thing that science has to worry about. It is the problem of the creationists.

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