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Author Topic:   Is complexity an argument against design?
onifre
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Message 58 of 142 (475514)
07-16-2008 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by John 10:10
07-16-2008 10:12 AM


Re: God as perfect?
I and millions of others who have entered into the kingdom of God via the new birth (John 3:3-7) Jesus gives know that He did.
What method did you use to determine that He meant that literally?

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onifre
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Message 61 of 142 (475553)
07-16-2008 5:44 PM
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07-16-2008 5:39 PM


Re: God as perfect?
The one where Jesus declared,
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)
and
"He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him." (John 14:21)
Great you can quote the Bible, but the question was 'What method did YOU use to determine whether the Jonah story is to be taken literal or not?'
Now, lets try this again. You said you take it to be a literal story, what method are you using to determine that?

All great truths begin as blasphemies
I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth.

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onifre
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Message 66 of 142 (475565)
07-16-2008 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by John 10:10
07-16-2008 6:10 PM


Re: God as perfect?
So YOUR faith is your method of knowing that Jesus meant the story of Jonah to be taken literal?
Im only asking because it seems to be the same method you apply to determine there has to be a designer, and the same method ID uses to invoke a designer. But you both lack the same thing and that is evidence, without that you have no argument.
Therefore you don't know for sure if the story of Jonah is to be taken literal or not, and you don't know for sure if there is a designer or not, all you have is your faith that you are right in your belief.
What you want from us is for us to adopt your beliefs and take YOU on faith that you're right.

All great truths begin as blasphemies
I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth.

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onifre
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Message 71 of 142 (475610)
07-17-2008 12:33 AM
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07-16-2008 10:50 PM


Re: God as perfect?
It's not my beliefs and faith that you need. You will have to get your own beliefs and faith from the author and finisher of our faith - the Lord Jesus Christ.
And where exactly can I find something written by this beloved fello???

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onifre
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Message 86 of 142 (475833)
07-18-2008 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by John 10:10
07-18-2008 5:35 PM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
When Job realized he could not answer the Lord's questions, he humbled himself, repented, and said this in Chapter 42,
Were these multiple chioce questions or true/false questions?
How much time does the Lord give for each question?
Is it a written or oral test?
Is it open book or do you just have to wing it?
1 Then Job answered the LORD and said,
2 "I know that You can do all things, and that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted.
3 'Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?' "Therefore I have declared that which I did not understand, things too wonderful for me, which I did not know."
4 'Hear, now, and I will speak; I will ask You, and You instruct me.'
5 "I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear; but now my eye sees You;
6 Therefore I retract, And I repent in dust and ashes."
Was this the masterpiece that was supposed to convince us that you aren't applying any faith to these scriptures?
Unless you are willing to receive instruction from the Lord, far be it from me to give you any more.
Don't be so modest...Oh please, please, please, give us more instructions!
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All great truths begin as blasphemies
I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth.

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onifre
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Message 111 of 142 (477011)
07-29-2008 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by John 10:10
07-28-2008 10:53 AM


Re: Yes, still a theory, a validated scientific based on evidence theory, but ...
No matter how much you say it has, evolution has not been "fully tested and proved" as have most other scientific principles that we understand to a great degree of accuracy, and utilize.
This statement is contradicting.
You say that evolution hasn't been 'fully tested', as have most other other scientific principles...
But then you say 'principles that we understand to a great degree of accuracy, and utilize'...
So if you understand that scientific theories are understood to a 'great degree of accuracy, and it is utilized', then you should recognize the work done by Evolutionary Scientist and the different fields that support it and show the same respect for it that you show other theories.
You simply reject evolution, and ONLY evolution, because of your specific interpretation of scriptures and lack of desire to truly understand the theory.
As such, evolution has become your "religion", no matter how much you declare it is not.
This is of course just an opinion but I like the way you add 'no matter how much you declare it is not', that way no ones argument will ever satisfy.
Show us proof for the Designer and then you may introduce him as part of the process, because if you don't show proof people will suspect you are just making up the Designer. As for now you have not done this, you just state 'God did it' and expect that to carry weight. It doesn't, 'no matter how much you declare that it does'

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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