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Nuggin
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Message 144 of 165 (623045)
07-07-2011 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by New Cat's Eye
07-06-2011 5:24 PM


Re: Don't Say Gay Bill - article showing left bias
This article, and its liberal bias, has tricked the poster into thinking the bill was completely terrible and one of the "most evil" things from the Right.
Running here to hide doesn't change the fact that I gave you a link to the interview.
Unless you are now claiming that reality has a liberal bias and that Conservatives can't be trusted to speak their own words in their own context.
I guess you have your own unique concept of "fair and balanced".

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Nuggin
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Message 146 of 165 (623088)
07-08-2011 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by bluescat48
07-08-2011 2:44 AM


Re: Don't Say Gay Bill - article showing left bias
This is the discriminatory part. If they can't provide any instruction or material that discusses homosexuality, then they should not be able to provide any instruction or material that discusses heterosexuality.
While clearly I'm an opponent of this law (check the other thread so see me railing), I don't think that this makes sense.
Obviously there is a need for sexual education.
If I recall how it went when I was in school:
Step One: Some point in grade school (4th grade? 5th?), "Welcome to puberty" -- mostly about "your body is changing". I suspect that there is some extremely basic sexual education in here. "Babies come out of this part."
I doubt there's any reason to mention homosexuality in anything but the briefest "Sarah has two mommies" context in Step One. And there's NO EVIDENCE that anyone is doing anything more than that in Tenn.
Step Two: Basic Sex-Ed -- Jr high -- mostly dispelling myths and setting the record straight. Urging the kids to wait until they are ready and going over the basics. "No, Asian girls do not have sidewise vaginas", "No you will not go blind if you keep doing that."
Perfect place for it. Not graphic discussion of sex acts, but a frank discussion to dispel misinformation. "You can't catch gay".
Step Three: Advanced Sex-Ed - High School -- diseases, pregnancy, condom use, etc
And, while this part isn't covered in the specific law, this is a great place for more detail about safety.

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Nuggin
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Message 151 of 165 (623168)
07-08-2011 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Artemis Entreri
07-08-2011 8:14 AM


Re: Don't Say Gay Bill - article showing left bias
Unless you are a resident of Tennessee, why be a opponent or a proponent of this legislation? It doesn't effect other people in other states,wtf?
I'm an American. Any law in any state which attempts to suppress other Americans is something I care about. I'm worried that you don't feel the same.
I agree with all of that. So what is the problem?
The law would make it illegal. That's the problem.

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Nuggin
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Message 152 of 165 (623172)
07-08-2011 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by bluescat48
07-08-2011 10:48 AM


Re: Don't Say Gay Bill - article showing left bias
My point is that if one sex pref is to be taught, then all should, if one isn't than none should. The other point is what you brought up that just general points be brought up in grade school whereas, I feel that all sexual prefs and the problems with each should be taught in Jr High.
But you must agree that there is A LOT more information to go over when discussing sexual reproduction than there is in discussing homosexual sex.
It's not so much a matter of "teaching a preference" as it is "this is where babies come from".
Obviously kids (even gay kids) need to know this information.
My objection is that asking teachers to pretend as though several of the kids in their classroom aren't gay isn't going to do those kids or the straight kids any favors.

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Nuggin
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Message 153 of 165 (623173)
07-08-2011 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Artemis Entreri
07-08-2011 11:05 AM


Re: Don't Say Gay Bill - article showing left bias
character assassination is all the left has when confronted by evidence in a logical fashion, you should know this by now
Interesting hypothesis. Now all you need to do is start confronting us with evidence to test it.
We've been WAITING and WAITING.

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Nuggin
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Message 155 of 165 (623235)
07-08-2011 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Artemis Entreri
07-08-2011 6:46 PM


Re: Don't Say Gay Bill - article showing left bias
Except that by telling other Americans in other states what they can and cannot do, and what Legislation they can and cannot create, you are doing exactly that in which you claim to be against.
I know you didn't cover American history while you weren't studying Greek History, so I'll try and walk you through this.
The GOVERNMENT is not the PEOPLE.
You can not oppress the GOVERNMENT by telling it that it can not enact or enforce laws which oppress the PEOPLE.
I know you're a big fan of big government, but that's not how this country works.
If you want a theocracy or a dictatorship, I can provide you with any number of countries where you can find it.
Here, though, the Constitution rules, and we enact no laws specifically designed to oppress a group of people just because "Jesus hates Fags", no matter how desperately you want that to be allowed.

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Nuggin
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Message 156 of 165 (623237)
07-08-2011 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Artemis Entreri
07-08-2011 6:46 PM


Re: Don't Say Gay Bill - article showing left bias
No it wouldn’t.
Wow, what a well reasoned argument.
The law SPECIFICALLY prohibits the mention of homosexuality.
In what way WOULDN'T it make covering homosexuality in sex-ed illegal?
Are you even paying attention?
Seriously, you've been bitching and moaning for days about how we aren't being "fair" with you, and here you are demonstrating that you don't even know what the discussion is about.

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Nuggin
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Message 158 of 165 (623272)
07-09-2011 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 157 by bluescat48
07-08-2011 11:22 PM


Re: Don't Say Gay Bill - article showing left bias
My point is that sex ed should be comprehensive covering Sexual reproduction, contraception, sexual prefs, AIDS & STDS, sexual assaults and the good & bad points of premarital sex.
I agree, however, there are basically three times in which sex ed is handled in school.
What you are talking about is most appropriate for the Jr High/High School level of sex ed.
I think think this sort of material needs to get covered in the separate the 5th grade boys and the girls and have them watch the old 8mm "My body is changing" film.

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