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RAZD
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Message 136 of 139 (145597)
09-29-2004 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by ID man
09-25-2004 5:32 PM


IDman's white flag is showing ...
IDman writes:
On the supernatural: ID says nothing of the supernatural. ID does say that if the evidence leads us to the metaphysical then so be it. Why are people afraid of that? Objective science lets the evidence lead. Therefore I can conclude that people like RAZD are afraid of objective science.
So: is the definition OKAY? Nice ramble over irrelevant territory you have already covered while still failing to answer the question.
ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF ANSWERING THE QUESTION?
Do you or do you not agree with this definition:
Supernatural adj. (Dictionary.com definition):
1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces.
YES or NO.
NOTE -- I will (and do) take failure on your part to answer the question as evidence that you do understand the logical consequences
Enjoy.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
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RAZD
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Message 137 of 139 (146230)
09-30-2004 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by ID man
09-25-2004 5:32 PM


ID man concedes ID is a religion by lack of argument otherwise
thank you for playing
enjoy

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}

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Message 138 of 139 (146243)
09-30-2004 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by RAZD
09-30-2004 6:32 PM


Re: ID man has already shown that ID is NOT a religion
There is nothing left for me to do. So go play with yourself.
But Doesn't Intelligent Design Refer to Something Supernatural?
From an ID perspective, the natural-vs.-supernatural distinction is irrelevant. The real contrast is not between natural laws and miracles, but between undirected natural causes and intelligent ones.
IOW it doesn't matter if I disagree or agree with the definition given. It is irrelevant. Whay can't you understand that?
This message has been edited by ID man, 09-30-2004 06:11 PM

"...the most habitable place in the solar system yields the best view of solar eclipses just when observers can best appreciate them." from "The Privileged Planet"

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RAZD
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Message 139 of 139 (146394)
10-01-2004 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by ID man
09-30-2004 7:07 PM


Re: ID man has never shown that ID is NOT a religion
because you can say that the tail of a dog is a leg, but that doesn't make it a 5 legged animal
SO: we will take that as an affirmative -- that the definition of supernatural is accurate and reflects the understanding of people around the world (for that is what definitions do: form a basis for a concensus of understanding what is being communicated).
NEXT: do you agree with the definition of god or not?
God n. (Dictionary.com definition, click here):
  1. God a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
  2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
And if not why and where.
Let's see if you can follow this through to the conclusion staying on the topic and not diverting into side channels ...

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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