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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I do not say that you are like the Nazis or Hitler, but I think that that is where Darwinian philosophy leads to (or Marxist philosophy, if you want to be picky). If you want to get picky, Marxists and Nazi's are polar opposites so I hardly see the point in mentioning it. You might recall that the Soviets fought against the Nazi's. So what does that tell you?
The reason this example is used so much is because, guess what; Hitler was a proponent of Darwinism. In fact, Darwinism had a lot to do with the thinking of Hitler. A Darwinist??? Say it ain't so!!! Do you know why this is so utterly pointless? Because almost everyone is a darwinist, Sac, because of the scientific rigor associated with it. Only a handful of religious zealots still cling to the antiquated, mystical belief system of a 3,000 year-old story. What would you say if you knew FDR and Churchill were also Darwinists and yet still fought Hitler?
However, I am not a big fan of using this example, because it can offend Darwinists (understandably). It's not so much offensive as it is pointless. Hitler gave homage to Jesus Christ. Should I therefore say that because Hitler professed to be a Christian that now all Christians are bloodthirsty dictators because he was? One has nothing to do with the other and that some creationists still pull that lame canard out of their ass just makes them look that much more stupid. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I am asking where your definition of "bad" has come from. From societal influence.
is morality a concrete reality, or a subjective one? Morals are relative to the circumstance, just how they are in the bible. Some say the 10 Commandments are God's absolute law, but Rahab's lies are evidence that it isn't the case. God even praised her for bearing false witness.
What is real? It's the state of actuality.
How do we know what is real? Philosophically that answer will change depending upon who you talk to.
How should we live based on what we know is real? In what regards?
If you want to see my answers, go to my response to Huntard in message 217. You didn't answer that question at all. All you said was "God is real." That's not an answer that proves what is real. Please answer your own question "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
He did believe in the multiplication table, and the Holocaust shows us the tragic inevitable consequences of this belief ... oh, wait ... Oh, clearly... You'd have to be a moron not to see the obvious connection between Hitler's beliefs on the multiplication table and his views on the Holocaust. Clearly he wanted to multiply the amount of Jews killed, and so right there the connection is made. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
The word "real" is an adjective ascribed to certain things. So when I ask the question "what is real?", I am asking you to tell me to which things you ascribe the adjective "real". You want me to list all the innumerable things that I think are real? That would take forever, which makes it impractical.
So it is self-evident that all things which are real are indeed reality. Wow, did you piece that together yourself or did you employ a team of the world's greatest philosophers?
So to answer the question correctly, you need to give an answer that will enlighten me as to what objects you ascribe the adjective "real", which would be the same as telling me what objects you believe are contained within "reality". You want to start naming off objects that are real? Well, being that the objects in front of me are tangible, they are therefore made of matter. Matter is an objective reality.
And as to the 3rd question, you have to answer the 1st and 2nd questions correctly in order to be able to answer it. So you could re-word the third question like this: based on your answers to the 1st and 2nd questions, how should we live our lives? How should we live our lives based on reality? What does that even mean? You're going to have to expound. You're talking apples and oranges right now.
quote: False. I said "God is real, and all that God has created is real". Oh, golly gosh, my bad. What's the difference? The point is that you saying that God is real doesn't make it so. You stated it as if you had something profound to say. All you've done is made an unsupported assertion
The reason for me saying that God is real is because He is not included in the part of the answer that says "all that God has created is real", because God did not create himself. Are you serious right now? This is your argument in defense of the existence of God? You aren't qualifying anything, you're just saying it. 1. No evidence that God exists.2. No evidence that God created anything. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
So let's say that I ask you "is a tree real", and you reply "yes". And I then say "why is it real", and you reply, e.g., "because it is material". In this example, the standard by which you judge the actuality of the tree lies in its materiality. Okay, you've asked the question, it's been answered. Now it is your turn. Are trees real? Provide reasons why the tree is or isn't real.
So, given this, I ask the question "what is real?". You now need to give an answer such as "all that is material is real", or "all is illusion", or some other such answer that would somehow enlighten me as to what you believe is real. Yes, everything could be an illusion. This could all be the Matrix or some demonic deception, and teapots could be orbiting the furthest star right now. The problem is there is no known verifiable way to corroborate that. All possibilities are therefore possible, even if highly improbable or implausible. I hardly see how that then supports the notion that there is any good reason to suppose the existence of God, whatever that is. You can rely on a nihilistic or solipsist philosophy, ascribing oneself to a nonsensical epistemology, but you will not advance your own theories by doing so. This is because the table can be turned right back around on you, which it now has. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
With regards to the first question, the purpose of life is not to go to heaven. The purpose of life is to give glory to God in all that we say and do So God created us with the expressed purpose of having us dote on him all day long? Do perfect beings regularly need to create other beings to satisfy their ego? And what about the other millions of species of animals on the planet? What is their purpose in life?
Their answer to the second question is bad too. This is because they do not say how we get to heaven. We do not get to heaven by dying. The only way to get to heaven is through Jesus Christ It was a summary, as in, a brief description.
To kill oneself would be an abomination to God. How would you know that is the reality of the situation? Note: I'm not talking about you regurgitating scripture. I'm asking how you would know that what scripture says is accurate.
Don't quote even the greatest Christian leader's in history, and then use their beliefs as a label for what I believe (this of course does not include Jesus, or any Scripture inspired by God). Of course not, that would just make way too much sense. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
At the same time though, the atheist created a very arbitrary and complex explanation of morals/morality. Is he supposed to default to God on account of your saying so? Your explanation of morals might be very simple, like the rest of your answers for why anything is the way it is. "God did it." That doesn't explain anything, nor does it prove God. What we can know by observation is that morals and intelligence seem to coincide. In your opinion, do you feel that only humans have the ability to be ruled by a moral framework? "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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