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Author Topic:   Richard Dawkins vs The Pope
Taz
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Message 1 of 47 (555256)
04-12-2010 8:50 PM


I was on my way back to Illinois from Texas recently when I heard the news about the Pope possibly getting arrested in the UK.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=123141§ionid=351...
http://www.manolith.com/...-dawkins-wants-to-arrest-the-pope
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There’s one thing I love about prominent soap-box steppers like Richard Dawkins. It’s that they’re very subtle and eloquent with their desires to change the status quo, never once going over the edge for the sake of theatricswhat’s that? He’s calling to arrest the Pope? Well, that’s dandy.
With the recent revelations of the Pope being fallible — and kinda a douchebag — it was only a matter of time before the whining started. But he’s the Pope. It’s kinda a given he’s done some messed up things to secure his position. I personally assume every Pope has killed a man with his bare hands. It’s a good guideline to go by.
I’ve talked to a few Richard Dawkins supporters (read: been lectured), and despite the fact that condescension seems to be built into his writing like power windows, he does often have valid points. Those are often overlooked and masked behind the straining vitriol, but the man has valid points. But calling for the Pope to be arrested over other contemporary very dangerous war criminals is just an easy way to get publicity. Which he shouldn’t be interested in getting. Because he’s very secure in his beliefs and his lifestyle.
Richard Dawkins can’t be dumb enough to think that a campaign to arrest the Pope will actually work. But he can be smart enough to be perpetually trying to pull troll-like publicity stunts to try to sell more books. So kudos to you, crafty Dawkins. Personally, I think the guy who has the keys to the mysteries of the universe wouldn’t dress himself like the best stereotype of a British professor the world could offer.
I just got back. Had to post this for you guys. Anyone else think this is funny?

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Taz
Member (Idle past 3310 days)
Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 3 of 47 (555287)
04-13-2010 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by hooah212002
04-12-2010 10:11 PM


hooah writes:
Even funnier is how they are trying to shift the blame onto homosexuals.
Yup.
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Pope's No. 2: Pedophilia linked to homosexuality
By BRAD HAYNES (AP) — 5 hours ago
SANTIAGO, Chile The Vatican's second-highest authority says the sex scandals haunting the Roman Catholic Church are linked to homosexuality and not celibacy among priests.
Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican's secretary of state, made the comments during a news conference Monday in Chile, where one of the church's highest-profile pedophile cases involves a priest having sex with young girls.
"Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and pedophilia. But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation between homosexuality and pedophilia. That is true," said Bertone. "That is the problem."
His comments drew angry reactions from Chile's gay rights advocates.
"Neither Bertone nor the Vatican has the moral authority to give lessons on sexuality," said Rolando Jimenez, president of the Movement for Homosexual Integration and Liberation in Chile.
Jimenez also said no reputable study exists to support the cardinal's claims.
"This is a perverse strategy by the Vatican to shirk its own ethical and legal responsibility by making a spurious and disgusting connection," he said.
At least one of the highest-profile pedophiles in the Chilean church victimized young girls, including a teenager who became pregnant.
At the time, the archbishop of the capital, Santiago, received multiple complaints about Father Jose Andres Aguirre from families concerned for their daughters. But the priest known to his parishioners as Father Tato continued serving at a number of Catholic girls schools in the city.
Later the church sent Aguirre out of Chile twice amid abuse allegations. He was eventually sentenced to 12 years in prison for abusing 10 teenage girls.
One of the girls, identified as Paula, said that she and the priest started to have sex when she was 16 and that it lasted until she was 20.
She told the Chilean newspaper La Nacion: "I thought it wasn't that bad to have sex with him because when I told priests about it at confession they just told me to pray and that was it. They knew, and some of them guessed that it was Father Tato. But everyone looked the other way. No one corrected or helped me."
She said one of the priests she confessed to about her sex with Aguirre was Bishop Francisco Jose Cox, who himself was facing allegations of pedophilia.
So you see, it didn't really matter that those priests raped the girls. They were actually homosexuals, so no harm's done

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
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Message 30 of 47 (555567)
04-14-2010 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Hyroglyphx
04-14-2010 7:07 AM


Re: A Determinative Question at the Very Root of Morality Itself
Hyro writes:
Not to sound insensitive towards your family, but I suspect your brother-in-law drank himself to death because he was, above all things, an alcoholic. I was molested as a child too by a neighbor. If pedophilia automatically leads to overdose, I'd have been dead a long time ago.
Different people react to different things differently. You kinda sound like a creationist when you said that. You can do a search and see for yourself. One of the most widely used "evidence" against evolution is that they don't believe it therefore it's not true.
The last time someone's brain got blown off with a gun and the brain and blood splattered all over us, the woman next to me was hysterical. Me? I calmly talked on the phone to instruct them where to go... we were out in the middle of no where. From my point of view, that woman should have remained calm. From her view, I should have been hysterical and screaming and crying.
But Dawkins takes it to another level where all religion is unilaterally attacked.
I keep hearing this sort of thing from you. From what I have read and heard from the guy, I don't think he's attacking religion at all. Or are you using the fallacy of the middle ground?

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Taz
Member (Idle past 3310 days)
Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 46 of 47 (555851)
04-15-2010 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by hooah212002
04-15-2010 9:37 AM


Re: Dawkins on CNN
Well, if anything, that woman proves that some people are down right retarded on this issue. Despite Dawkins repeating himself several times that the pope is not guilty of commiting these crimes but he is guilty of cover up, the woman went ahead and asked why the pope should be tried for having committed those crimes.
It's like asking "do you still beat your wife?" after I explicitly explained several times that I have never beaten my wife before.

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