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Author Topic:   Can anything exist for an infinite time or outside of time?
Hyroglyphx
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Message 107 of 158 (559106)
05-06-2010 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by DPowell
05-06-2010 3:18 PM


Re: First Cause
First Cause questions are meangingless because they always end up in infinite regression. you answer one question it simply leads to another so that you are right back at where you started. But let's indulge these questions nonetheless.
Your remarks regarding the Creator are off the mark because it is within the nature of the Creator (the Source, the Originator) not to need a cause.
If the Creator haphazardly created something, then there is no goal-directed focus towards creating. If the Creator delliberately creates something, then He does so with a purpose in mind.
God has chosen to reveal Himself most clearly in His Word (the Bible).
That's not clear at all. That's a claim, just like it is in the Qur'an/ Doesn't make it so.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 111 of 158 (559113)
05-06-2010 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by DPowell
05-06-2010 3:18 PM


Re: First Cause
(Yes, there appears to be a woman who reportedly lived 122 years, but she is not technically a *man,*
So a woman is not a human? Regardless Shigechiyo Izumi was a man (as in male) who lived past 122 years.
scientists at the top of their fields recognize that science does not determine fact solely and absolutely. Science answers the questions science can answer in the way that science can answer them. And yet there are realms of reality that lie beyond the scope of science. This where philosophy, cosmology, theology, etc., must step in and answer the questions.
Cosmology is a hard science
What do you think on this matter? Let's say that God exists (just for discussion's sake); He is infinitely large (in fact, beyond space), infinitely ancient (in fact, outside of time), and Spirit rather than body. How, by scientific methods, do you propose that we prove or attempt to disprove His existence?
Equally valid question: How do you propose to know he's "infinitely large" and goes "beyond space and is outside of time" if you are neither of those things? What would you propose that we prove or attempt to disprove His existence?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 117 of 158 (559185)
05-07-2010 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by DPowell
05-06-2010 2:12 PM


Re: First Cause
And your empirical evidence against the existence of God was...? Please play by your own rules.
If something doesn't exist you cannot prove it does not exist because of the law of non-contradiction. It is impossible to empirically disprove a negative using positive means, meaning something like God is neither verifiable nor falsifiable.
Therefore the burden of proof lies with the person making the positive claim, which in this particular case would be you.
But let me spare you all the suspense and just say that there is no known way to prove or disprove the existence of God. Even in the bible it says you must believe by faith, does it not? There is no empirical evidence. If such a being exists it is only revealed on a personal level and that cannot be proven to others unless they experience God. Make sense?

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